What Are Your Thoughts on Video Game Preservation?

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noiseredux wrote: yeah I had a Firefox plugin that did this -- it seemed to screw up viewing youtube vids for me though oddly. I think I'll reinstall it though and try again, unless you're able to host the vid somewhere for DL (I have no clue about torrents).
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YoshiEgg25 wrote:
noiseredux wrote: yeah I had a Firefox plugin that did this -- it seemed to screw up viewing youtube vids for me though oddly. I think I'll reinstall it though and try again, unless you're able to host the vid somewhere for DL (I have no clue about torrents).
http://www.zamzar.com/url

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noiseredux wrote:
YoshiEgg25 wrote:
noiseredux wrote: yeah I had a Firefox plugin that did this -- it seemed to screw up viewing youtube vids for me though oddly. I think I'll reinstall it though and try again, unless you're able to host the vid somewhere for DL (I have no clue about torrents).
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is there a cliff notes version of this? it sounds interesting, but an hour long video is 60 minutes.
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I will back Hatta up about emulation here, this is one instance where I support and respect emulation a lot. It could be a good way to keep lots of this stuff alive after many years.
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bryan_65 wrote: I use http://www.keepvid.com/
It works very well for me, and you can chose some different formats.
Keepvid works well, and there is now an .mp3 option on it. If you chose the mp3 for this vid, it will be under 200 MB sized file.
(as I understand it, the mp3 option redirects you to SNIPMP3 another of these sites that grab youtube and other flash videos).

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Don't emulators and cracked copies have big limitations for the future though? I thougt that they were not a viable option for the long term and that source code would be more important.

It would be nice to have an archiving and preservation entity that works with, but is separate from, the game companies. I don't trust the companies to be left to the task of preserving their own games because once the game appears to longer be able to generate profit, the company no longer has much reason to keep the source code. At the same time, companies often need to keep their source code to themselves to make a profit and avoid theft or piracy.
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J T wrote:Don't emulators and cracked copies have big limitations for the future though? I thougt that they were not a viable option for the long term and that source code would be more important.
Source code is always the gold standard. But you'd be surprised at what trouble you can have trying to compile 20 year old code. Try compiling the Doom source code as released by iD without modification for instance. Even if you have the source code, you may not be able to compile it or run it without an emulator, especially if the code was written for a platform that's out of favor (6502, 68k, PowerPC, etc).

Emulators when done correctly (see bsnes, nestopia) serve as both documentation for the hardware, and a way to run the binaries into the future. Both of these are essential to any sort of preservation effort. Open source, portable code bases will ensure that these emulators are available essentially forever.
It would be nice to have an archiving and preservation entity that works with, but is separate from, the game companies. I don't trust the companies to be left to the task of preserving their own games because once the game appears to longer be able to generate profit, the company no longer has much reason to keep the source code. At the same time, companies often need to keep their source code to themselves to make a profit and avoid theft or piracy.
This is exactly what they're trying to do with the IGDA. They throw around some ideas like offering awards or other publicity to IGDA members that contribute their archives to libraries and museums. Whether anything gets any momentum is a different story, the first "digital game canon" panel was like 3 years ago, so who knows.
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Not an easy topic, especially with the rapid changes in technology.

Heck if someone told me 10 years ago, that I would able to download a RPG game with 3D graphics ENTIRELY without the need of any physical media, I would been skeptic at that time.

You can't find a floppy disk drive on the latest PC within the last 5 years or so, and DOS are mostly emulated on Windows. So try figuring out how to play King's Quest, or Civilization I without scavenging for old PC parts (and pray the floppy disks haven't been damaged by the environment) - that leads to source codes, but then again do you have hardware to support them?

The light guns that we used to play on CRT tv's won't work on LCD or Plasma tv's, and the graphics display and sound chip has changed dramatically over the last 20 years.
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did anyone make an mp3 of this so I can listen to it in my car?
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