Next Gen Wars Questions

[Abras]

PS3 is starting to remind more and more of the Saturn each day; too high a price, losing 3rd party support, and its first party games aren't that great right now. I'm not sure how easy or difficult it is to program on the cell processor though, Sony's geared this thing too much towards being a multimedia powerhouse than a gaming machine. The real answer of what'll happen to PS3 will likely begin to surface this fall, and if their last big exclusives jump ship or bomb (I'm talking about MGS4 and FFXIII); then I don't expect to see much of PS3 after 2008.

But at least Sega's first party stuff was Sega's. I can't stand it when people go on about how they love their PS3. It's like what exactly are you playing on it????

Yeah, Sony doesn't have much 1st or 2nd party games. They have always relied on 3rd parties now they are jumping ship, and sony is screwed. That's one big advantage to being both a hardware and software developer. I mean, the N64 would have probably been a complete flop w/o rare and nintendo.

[racketboy]

PS3 is starting to remind more and more of the Saturn each day; too high a price, losing 3rd party support, and its first party games aren't that great right now. I'm not sure how easy or difficult it is to program on the cell processor though, Sony's geared this thing too much towards being a multimedia powerhouse than a gaming machine. The real answer of what'll happen to PS3 will likely begin to surface this fall, and if their last big exclusives jump ship or bomb (I'm talking about MGS4 and FFXIII); then I don't expect to see much of PS3 after 2008.

But at least Sega's first party stuff was Sega's. I can't stand it when people go on about how they love their PS3. It's like what exactly are you playing on it????

Yeah, Sony doesn't have much 1st or 2nd party games. They have always relied on 3rd parties now they are jumping ship, and sony is screwed. That's one big advantage to being both a hardware and software developer. I mean, the N64 would have probably been a complete flop w/o rare and nintendo.

Yeah, that N64 sentence is an understatement

[All Hail The New Flesh]

There are rumors spreading that Final Fantasy XIII won't be PS3 exclusive and will be released on the Xbox 360, I personally don't believe this rumor but if Sony loose this game, that pretty much cut its life support and pretty much what they got left would be Metal Gear Solid 4. But there is also rumors that MGS4 might be released on the Xbox 360, again I don't believe this rumor but if that actually happen, then that would be the final nail on PS3's Coffin.

PS3 is really a mess if you think about it, Price is too high, Not too many games ect. ect.

Also, I do think Sony is suffering the "Atari Syndrome", why do I call it the Atari syndrome? well you think about it, back in the day when Atari's 2600 was huge, Atari thinks there unstoppable, thinking that every game would sell because of there Atari name is on it and people will buy it...then there was E.T. and Pac Man, Atari think the game was going to sell like hot cakes because its the Holidays, kids want Atari's, then the people found out how crappy the games where, and the games just did not sell and as we know it the Atari was flooding with crappy games and they released there Atari 5200, of course the system did not sell that well and the system suffered with a Controller malfunction, ever since then Atari was in serious serious depth. Same thing happened with Sega and Nintendo (although Nintendo did so well at the hand held market) Now its Sony's Time.

[metaleggman]

Same thing happened with Sega and Nintendo (although Nintendo did so well at the hand held market) Now its Sony's Time.

When did this ever happen to Nintendo? I've never heard of them having problems financially, nor that they brought out crappy products thinking the "Nintendo" brand would simply sell for the namesake. Are you thinking this because of the GCN and the N64? Considering the N64 did second place and the GCN did third (but by a slight margin against the Xbox, mebe a couple hundred thousand consoles) and that Nintendo always makes money on their consoles, are you mistaken or am I blind to whatever profit defecite Nintendo had?

Good analogy though.

[ImportBoy]

I think the PS3 is a great machine but the price tag is just to high. If they lowered it down to $400 for the 60GB model I think it would sell much better. More units sold means more incentive for developers to develop. More units = more possiblity of games sold.

At this point if I was a developer I would surely want to port my game to PS3 and 360 - and even Wii if possible.

[All Hail The New Flesh]

Same thing happened with Sega and Nintendo (although Nintendo did so well at the hand held market) Now its Sony's Time.

When did this ever happen to Nintendo? I've never heard of them having problems financially, nor that they brought out crappy products thinking the "Nintendo" brand would simply sell for the namesake. Are you thinking this because of the GCN and the N64? Considering the N64 did second place and the GCN did third (but by a slight margin against the Xbox, mebe a couple hundred thousand consoles) and that Nintendo always makes money on their consoles, are you mistaken or am I blind to whatever profit defecite Nintendo had?

Good analogy though.

I was kinda of thinking like the early SNES years when they censored Mortal Kombat, not really a name sake thing but it was a turning point for Sega since the Genesis version has the code to play the game uncensord and it out sold the SNES version...Lets not forget the menchen the Virtual Boy...That one was a disasterpiece. Then there was the time when they released Zelda and Mario games on Phillips CDI (another bomb). N64 I don't really see any problems with but the GCN has its ups and downs, it has a good handful of games but one of the most major problem with the GCN was that it has no online play (besides the Phantasy Star series, name me another Online game of the GCN [Warp Zone hack does not cout]) If you think about it Online play was a huge thing back then PS2 has one, also the Xbox but Nintendo got a little stubborn and not include online play, it would of sold more if it has more online games, but in the end the console got the job done and goes away peacefully.

[metaleggman]

I was kinda of thinking like the early SNES years when they censored Mortal Kombat, not really a name sake thing but it was a turning point for Sega since the Genesis version has the code to play the game uncensord and it out sold the SNES version...

Yes, but Nintendo really didn't lose money on it or anything. They still sold quite a few copies of MK. Losing money and losing market majority aren't really the same thing. Nintendo was still making gobs of money.

Lets not forget the menchen the Virtual Boy...That one was a disasterpiece.

While I don't have the figures, I don't believe Nintendo was really damaged because of that. I think the only major loss was the loss of one of their greatest minds, Gunpei Yokoi, but no monetary value could be put to that. The reason I believe they didn't lose too much is because you never really saw floods of Virtual boys. Nintendo made sure to cut off the shipments before any real damage could happen. So a small loss imo.

Then there was the time when they released Zelda and Mario games on Phillips CDI (another bomb).

How was this a bomb again? Nintendo, afaik, never attempted to make any money on these. They were merely a licensing scheme someone wanted to sell the CDIs with. So whatever happened, Nintendo made money. Considering they were Nintendo in name alone, I definately don't see them as a bomb.

but the GCN has its ups and downs, it has a good handful of games but one of the most major problem with the GCN was that it has no online play (besides the Phantasy Star series, name me another Online game of the GCN [Warp Zone hack does not cout]) If you think about it Online play was a huge thing back then PS2 has one, also the Xbox but Nintendo got a little stubborn and not include online play, it would of sold more if it has more online games, but in the end the console got the job done and goes away peacefully.

Well, Nintendo didn't lose money on the cube, tbh. All of Nintendo's games had good reception and while they didn't have online, I really don't think you needed it. Maybe in this generation, but with the exception of the Xbox, Online isn't as important as people make it out to be. As for personal experiences, I think I've randomly played a few matches of TFC and HL online, but other than that, I've pretty much ignored all online options to games. And even though I'm getting a elite 360, I'm not planning on playing anything online either. I think Halo really just made it seem more important than it really is. Considering international play is no where near perfect, I don't expect it being required for practically every game on every console until like 2015.

[Mozgus]

Can we please avoid this generic Nintendo argument? It's been done to death on every forum ever made. Every line of text you guys type has been typed 1000 times before.

[metaleggman]

Unfortunately, we should end this part of the discussion considering how off topic it is.

[Lan-Di]

I'm waiting for, both, Konami and Square-Enix; to make the jump, OR, announce a dual release..