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crux wrote:A RGB monitor with a horizontal scan rate of 15kHz can be hooked up to an RGB capable console. I didn't say the monitors were common - mostly Amiga monitors, most of which were discontinued twenty years ago. But they're plenty cheap for that reason.
Gotcha, ya my supergun is hooked up to a sony trinitron CPD-1302 that does RGB at 15khz and it looks SO good. Only problem with those old monitors is that they were fairly small, still really cool though.
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There's a lot of work to do here, so let's get going.

Okay, the best picture you'll get out of a Saturn is analog RGB. You can use a SCART cable to pull it out.
Now, the trouble - as a few people have nailed - is what do you display it on. Analog RGB from most game consoles has the fun issue of being 15khz. Most of your computer monitors won't display a signal under 31khz. This is why older Amiga and Commodore monitors were sought out.

Now, surprisingly, the new area of LCD, DLP and Plasma TVs has actually brought a little of the game back. It's not unheard of for some newer TVs to support 15khz.

I've been drooling over the Panasonic "Hospitality Displays" for over a year now:

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/st ... splayTab=F

It's essentially a 42" Plasma that will play RGB from anything you hook into it.

So... it's actually worth it to check out what kind of range your current TV has. It's a small chance, but it does exist. If it supports 15khz then you're super lucky. You might have to build a simple LM1881 sync stripper, but you'd be golden.

Now since most likely you're not that lucky, your next best move is to get the 15khz signal up to 31khz with an upscanner. They can be really expensive, somewhat inexpensive or inexpensive Do-It-Yourself jobs. If this doesn't sound like fun to you then S-Video is as good as it'll ever get.
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Ok, some great homework done here guys!

Is there any way that we can make a separate sticky thread for each console in the appropriate sub-forum?

EDIT: While doing some research on the Genesis, I noticed that there are actually different audio options concerning the various models. This is something we need to address too I think. I'm torn as to whether I want to look for a model 2 for stereo sound or keep my model 1.
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rainnyx4 wrote:Ok, some great homework done here guys!

Is there any way that we can make a separate sticky thread for each console in the appropriate sub-forum?

EDIT: While doing some research on the Genesis, I noticed that there are actually different audio options concerning the various models. This is something we need to address too I think. I'm torn as to whether I want to look for a model 2 for stereo sound or keep my model 1.
Model 1 has stereo sound from the headphone jack, and if you want to open the system up you can just mount stereo phono jacks on the back.
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NotBlaine wrote:There's a lot of work to do here, so let's get going.

Okay, the best picture you'll get out of a Saturn is analog RGB. You can use a SCART cable to pull it out.
Now, the trouble - as a few people have nailed - is what do you display it on. Analog RGB from most game consoles has the fun issue of being 15khz. Most of your computer monitors won't display a signal under 31khz. This is why older Amiga and Commodore monitors were sought out.

Now, surprisingly, the new area of LCD, DLP and Plasma TVs has actually brought a little of the game back. It's not unheard of for some newer TVs to support 15khz.

I've been drooling over the Panasonic "Hospitality Displays" for over a year now:

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/st ... splayTab=F

It's essentially a 42" Plasma that will play RGB from anything you hook into it.

So... it's actually worth it to check out what kind of range your current TV has. It's a small chance, but it does exist. If it supports 15khz then you're super lucky. You might have to build a simple LM1881 sync stripper, but you'd be golden.

Now since most likely you're not that lucky, your next best move is to get the 15khz signal up to 31khz with an upscanner. They can be really expensive, somewhat inexpensive or inexpensive Do-It-Yourself jobs. If this doesn't sound like fun to you then S-Video is as good as it'll ever get.
Lol almost everything here had already been said, aside from the hospitality displays (and who would ever own one?)
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chipperkwah wrote:
rainnyx4 wrote:Ok, some great homework done here guys!

Is there any way that we can make a separate sticky thread for each console in the appropriate sub-forum?

EDIT: While doing some research on the Genesis, I noticed that there are actually different audio options concerning the various models. This is something we need to address too I think. I'm torn as to whether I want to look for a model 2 for stereo sound or keep my model 1.
Model 1 has stereo sound from the headphone jack, and if you want to open the system up you can just mount stereo phono jacks on the back.
This is true, however I think another cord coming out of the headphone jack would look kind of stupid. In trying to design a nice looking gameroom that could be a dealbreaker. So it's either mono sound out of the model 1, or stereo sound out of the model 2 with a loss in sound quality apparently. I'm not sure which would be better.
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rainnyx4 wrote:
chipperkwah wrote:
rainnyx4 wrote:Ok, some great homework done here guys!

Is there any way that we can make a separate sticky thread for each console in the appropriate sub-forum?

EDIT: While doing some research on the Genesis, I noticed that there are actually different audio options concerning the various models. This is something we need to address too I think. I'm torn as to whether I want to look for a model 2 for stereo sound or keep my model 1.
Model 1 has stereo sound from the headphone jack, and if you want to open the system up you can just mount stereo phono jacks on the back.
This is true, however I think another cord coming out of the headphone jack would look kind of stupid. In trying to design a nice looking gameroom that could be a dealbreaker. So it's either mono sound out of the model 1, or stereo sound out of the model 2 with a loss in sound quality apparently. I'm not sure which would be better.
Just open it up and solder 3 wires for stereo sound, mount jacks on the back. It couldn't be easier.
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There are tutorials everywhere, here is the best one.
http://www-unix.ecs.umass.edu/~dhowland/mod/
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I love svideo for older consoles for the newer one's its all component if not HDMI when possible :)
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chipperkwah wrote:
NotBlaine wrote:There's a lot of work to do here, so let's get going.

Okay, the best picture you'll get out of a Saturn is analog RGB. You can use a SCART cable to pull it out.
Now, the trouble - as a few people have nailed - is what do you display it on. Analog RGB from most game consoles has the fun issue of being 15khz. Most of your computer monitors won't display a signal under 31khz. This is why older Amiga and Commodore monitors were sought out.

Now, surprisingly, the new area of LCD, DLP and Plasma TVs has actually brought a little of the game back. It's not unheard of for some newer TVs to support 15khz.

I've been drooling over the Panasonic "Hospitality Displays" for over a year now:

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/st ... splayTab=F

It's essentially a 42" Plasma that will play RGB from anything you hook into it.

So... it's actually worth it to check out what kind of range your current TV has. It's a small chance, but it does exist. If it supports 15khz then you're super lucky. You might have to build a simple LM1881 sync stripper, but you'd be golden.

Now since most likely you're not that lucky, your next best move is to get the 15khz signal up to 31khz with an upscanner. They can be really expensive, somewhat inexpensive or inexpensive Do-It-Yourself jobs. If this doesn't sound like fun to you then S-Video is as good as it'll ever get.
Lol almost everything here had already been said, aside from the hospitality displays (and who would ever own one?)
The hospitality displays are just what I like. My main point was....
It's not unheard of for some newer TVs to support 15khz.
So... it's actually worth it to check out what kind of range your current TV has. It's a small chance, but it does exist.
And as far as people saying what I said already....
as a few people have nailed


Which is why we now have this post, where I point out your reading comprehension sucks.
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NotBlaine wrote:
chipperkwah wrote:
NotBlaine wrote:There's a lot of work to do here, so let's get going.

Okay, the best picture you'll get out of a Saturn is analog RGB. You can use a SCART cable to pull it out.
Now, the trouble - as a few people have nailed - is what do you display it on. Analog RGB from most game consoles has the fun issue of being 15khz. Most of your computer monitors won't display a signal under 31khz. This is why older Amiga and Commodore monitors were sought out.

Now, surprisingly, the new area of LCD, DLP and Plasma TVs has actually brought a little of the game back. It's not unheard of for some newer TVs to support 15khz.

I've been drooling over the Panasonic "Hospitality Displays" for over a year now:

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/st ... splayTab=F

It's essentially a 42" Plasma that will play RGB from anything you hook into it.

So... it's actually worth it to check out what kind of range your current TV has. It's a small chance, but it does exist. If it supports 15khz then you're super lucky. You might have to build a simple LM1881 sync stripper, but you'd be golden.

Now since most likely you're not that lucky, your next best move is to get the 15khz signal up to 31khz with an upscanner. They can be really expensive, somewhat inexpensive or inexpensive Do-It-Yourself jobs. If this doesn't sound like fun to you then S-Video is as good as it'll ever get.
Lol almost everything here had already been said, aside from the hospitality displays (and who would ever own one?)
The hospitality displays are just what I like. My main point was....
It's not unheard of for some newer TVs to support 15khz.
So... it's actually worth it to check out what kind of range your current TV has. It's a small chance, but it does exist.
And as far as people saying what I said already....
as a few people have nailed


Which is why we now have this post, where I point out your reading comprehension sucks.
Lol I read your entire post, and it IS unheard of for newer tvs to support 15khz. Not denying that the hospitality displays are sweet, but you can't even buy them. HOSPITALity displays are for HOSPITALS. Find another NTSC television that supports analog RGB at 15khz, and ill be a happy man.
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