Who hates smoking?

[masonyes]

You're right to the extent of it's defenition. Connotation is the soceital addition to the defenition. And his usage of the world is how it often used coloquially or by common society.

[lordofduct]

You're right to the extent of it's defenition. Connotation is the soceital addition to the defenition. And his usage of the world is how it often used coloquially or by common society.

Again no, well kinda, connotative means a secondary meaning. This does not mean a colloquial meaning, though it can contain a colloquial meaning. Further more the general misconception of what the word means does not give it yet another meaning... but instead just means people don't know its definition.

The connotative definition of irony is the conditional definition. Where an outcome is that which is not expected.

I could go around and say true means false. No matter how many people agree it shouldn't make it true (oh, irony).

As I always say, "What's the only ironic thing about that song 'Isn't it Ironic'? The fact that none of the lyrics are ironic."

[masonyes]

It is a coqoullial meaning, common folk not "qualified"(how do you determine what word means and who is qualified to define it anyways). As as you say secondary meaning regardless of it's misconception in intent of the original defenition of the word, the connotation becomes an additonal or secondary de facto meaning.

[lordofduct]

It is a coqoullial meaning, common folk not "qualified"(how do you determine what word means and who is qualified to define it anyways). As as you say secondary meaning regardless of it's misconception in intent of the original defenition of the word, the connotation becomes an additonal or secondary de facto meaning.

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The connotative definition of irony is the conditional definition. Where an outcome is that which is not expected.

We already have a word for what he said, it's called "coincidental".

Until the dictionary says otherwise.

I'm done...

[masonyes]

There isn't a webster's dictionary for connotations or the connoation of 'irony', it's folk. It's defined by it's a general usage, the whole point of the existance of the word connoation. Which the user used in his usage of the word.
So you agree by your logic there isn't a dictionary for words of connoation, they are defined by society.

[lordofduct]

wait, what??? No, now you're using a "folk" definition of connotation. Jesus dude, you can't define by non-definiton.

[masonyes]

I used your definiton, secondary meaning and i'll give you the "offical definition' That is by society ala cultural; here you go;Connotation is a subjective cultural and/or emotional coloration in addition to the explicit or denotative meaning of any specific word or phrase in a language, i.e. emotional association with a word. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connotation

the range of further associations that a word or phrase suggests in addition to its straightforward, dictionary meaning.
http://www.dothgrin.net/stylelitlist.doc
The emotional response evoked by a word within a specific context, as opposed to the literal sense of a word or its strict dictionary definition. See denotation.
http://www.taylor.k12.ga.us/~wharris/li ... terms.html
The last one perfectly articulates my point.

[NathanBarnatt]

This is getting ridiculous. Why can't we all just live as healthy as possible and die by over healthing our selves. I'm trying to be so healthy that I explode from too many muscles and over powering clean lungs.

[lordofduct]

either way it isn't what it means.

thusly meaning it wasn't ironic.

If I said "am I cool because I lit myself on fire".

This use of 'cool' is slang and has an emotional attachment. The association to the word is completely subjective. And the actual answer to the statement is "NO". Though some one might find it 'cool' in its slang definitionm this is subjective. Literally it is not cool, it is hot.

[masonyes]

words used in connotation become a new meaning. And your belief in the dictionary lol, would automatically align you to the subset of it's defenitions. Specfically connoation. As you belief the final end all of authority begins with the dictionary, then as the dictionary defined connoation as a word and in it's usage an acceptacable means of communcation. Then logically any words used in adherence of connotive effect would be right.

maybe we should both major in linguists(must be absolutly boring) and have top tier arguments over the substance of words.