Kickstarter "Tropes vs Women in Videogames"

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Wow, I didn't know she had that many accolades. That article also breaks apart the "oh, she's a conservative" ad hominem as stated a few posts ago.
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oxymoron wrote:Finally a sensible feminist's take on this whole thing!

I don't know, I feel like her perspective is one of a severe-outsider. She admits to being a non-gamer but claims to know enough to accuse the Feminist Frequency videos of cherry-picking their information and ignoring how games have become inclusive. Obviously each entry in Tropes vs. Women focuses on a specific trope so that COULD be interpreted as cherry-picking but it really seems to miss the point. The Tropes vs. Women in Video Games series isn't about games turning people into sexist monsters, it's about how certain elements that get recycled through our cultural products reflect and perpetuate unhealthy attitudes, even if it is on a subtle level. I don't know, my take on every Feminist Frequency video isn't that they're saying "THESE GAMES ARE BAD AND ARE RUINING EVERYTHING THEY MUST BE BANNED" as much as they are saying "let's look at our media and see if it contains elements that conflict with our values."

I also that the Factual Feminist's brush-off of toxic elements within gamer-culture reflects that she wasn't looking very hard.

While her statements are technically correct, they she doesn't really delve into the meaty core of the gamer subculture, media criticism, or modern feminism. I'd say that the video isn't bad as much as it is an uninteresting waste of time.
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Nemoide wrote: While her statements are technically correct, they she doesn't really delve into the meaty core of the gamer subculture, media criticism, or modern feminism. I'd say that the video isn't bad as much as it is an uninteresting waste of time.
Are you talking about that video or "tropes vs women in videogames"?

cause you can say that about both of them, and that's exactly the problem
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/vi ... Sarkeesian

about fucking time. people who think death threats online are a joke should really get their lesson taught.
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ZeroAX wrote:http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/vi ... Sarkeesian

about fucking time. people who think death threats online are a joke should really get their lesson taught.
Can someone start investigating swatters? That shit needs to stop.
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ZeroAX wrote:http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/vi ... Sarkeesian

about fucking time. people who think death threats online are a joke should really get their lesson taught.
I'm go going to go out on a limb and say that nothing is going to come from the investigation. It's to easy to be completely anonymous online. This is the fbi not the nsa investigating.

Also 4chan spamming their tip line with reports of the threats probably pissed them off about it too.
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flex wood wrote: It's to easy to be completely anonymous online.
You really think the people sending death threats over this are smart/old enough to hide their IP?
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ZeroAX wrote:
flex wood wrote: It's to easy to be completely anonymous online.
You really think the people sending death threats over this are smart/old enough to hide their IP?
Well I would think that if the fbi was involved right at the time that the threats were made if they haven't found anything by now that they aren't going to.
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Also to add someone using perfect grammar, sending those messages that were most likely pre written since not a single one was over 140 characters and sent within seconds of each other would most likely have thought out using some proxies, tor or any other number of different ways to send them anonymously, like just going to a coffee shop with a burner cell phone and using the wifi when their closed.

Not hard at all to be anon and stay anon.
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flex wood wrote:
ZeroAX wrote:
flex wood wrote: It's to easy to be completely anonymous online.
You really think the people sending death threats over this are smart/old enough to hide their IP?
Well I would think that if the fbi was involved right at the time that the threats were made if they haven't found anything by now that they aren't going to.
The FBI would not normally be involved with a matter involving simple threats, and I suspect that local law enforcement is simply collaborating with the FBI to obtain the expertise needed to identify the person who posted the threats. Additionally - and unless it decides to publicize it - we may never know if the FBI or local law enforcement agency ever makes an arrest related to the threats. (This is particularly true if, as is likely here, the person making the threats is a minor.) Finally, if the person posting the threats lives outside the United States, he or she will not be subject to the FBI or local law enforcement agency's jurisdiction, and accordingly, the FBI or local law enforcement agency will not have the power to arrest him or her. (Certainly, they may coordinate with foreign law enforcement agencies to arrest the person posting the threats, but as vile as that person's comments were, I very much doubt the United States would go through the trouble of extraditing someone in these circumstances. They might disclose the identity of the person posting the threats to Ms. Sarkeesian, however, who might initiate a civil action against him or her.)
flex wood wrote:Not hard at all to be anon and stay anon.
I have worked with people in law enforcement, and I am acquainted with some people who work for various national security agencies. Those agencies employ some very intelligent people with very sophisticated tools, and when properly motivated, they can find just about anyone using the internet. (If you really want to remain hidden, you pretty much have to go completely "off the grid" like Eric Rudolph.)
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