What Made you Smile/What Ticked you off Today?

[Luke]

You hit someone, you go to jail if the cops are called.


Cop: Sir, you can't hit your son. I'm going to have to book you.

Dude: But awwww man. He called me a twat. He deserved it.

[mjmjr25]

You hit someone, you go to jail if the cops are called.


Cop: Sir, you can't hit your son. I'm going to have to book you.

Dude: But awwww man. He called me a twat. He deserved it.

No, that just isn't the case. Police have to use a thing called "judgement" to justify their time and resources. Charges must be reviewed by the DA and they will determine if the actions warrant the formal filing of criminal charges and in a case as we are describing, a DA isn't going to move forward the majority of the time, because as we are seeing, they aren't going to pass the sniff test for a jury.

The police will show up, of course, and they will make a determination if they think it is going to get past the DA, and if it isn't, they will make a judgement - spend 2-3 hours doing a detailed report, to survive a defender scrutinizing it, and then booking time - or they will do a Incident Response report, which is far less detail and generally would result in no charges being filed, and be back responding to more vital calls.

[jp1]

No, actually I wasn't. You're changing my words. I said "slap" which has an entirely different significance than a "pop" or a punch. A "pop" or punch is out of anger and generally intended to inflict physical pain and harm. A slap is a intended to show the utmost disapproval in one's actions. ...and let's be clear, Fragems is an adult. The counterarguments keep using the word "kid" or "child". We are still someone's children...but we are not children.

Dude, are you responding to me as well, or not? I can't tell. I am not claiming you are advocating for child abuse or anything of the sort. I wasn't clear on the circumstances and made an edit to my post. Subsequently, I just pointed out that "Dad should throw his ass out, instead of smacking, popping, hitting, whatever that can land dad in jail."

I'm with you on the respect. Just not the slapping...at any age. Again, I know you aren't advocating the abuse of children.

Also, police judgement or not. In my county you hit another person in any capacity for any reason you are taking a ride. It's a fact. Maybe that isn't true everywhere, and maybe you won't get convicted of a crime, but you will spend the night in jail.

[mjmjr25]

I think getting booked is really going to be determined where you live. I don't know, maybe a 50/50 proposition - size of town, size of police force, actual crime in the area, etc.

Actual charges from the DA, significantly less.

[J T]

When I wake up in the morning I will be headed to Dallas for NIN on Sunday.

Awesome. I'm going to the Seattle show. It should be an awesome show. I am really looking forward to it, especially since I have never seen Soundgarden live before.

[prfsnl_gmr]

No, that just isn't the case. Police have to use a thing called "judgement" to justify their time and resources. Charges must be reviewed by the DA and they will determine if the actions warrant the formal filing of criminal charges and in a case as we are describing, a DA isn't going to move forward the majority of the time, because as we are seeing, they aren't going to pass the sniff test for a jury.

This is correct. While the police could arrest you, it probably isn't worth their time, and it certainly isn't worth the DA's time to press charges.

...and be back responding to more vital calls.

...like people letting their children play in a park unattended.

[KalessinDB]

You hit someone, you go to jail if the cops are called.


Cop: Sir, you can't hit your son. I'm going to have to book you.

Dude: But awwww man. He called me a twat. He deserved it.

No. No you don't.

Take it from someone who dispatches cops to family troubles where someone's hitting someone literally every single day I work: it's nowhere near as cut and dry as you'd like to think it is. The overwhelming majority do not go to jail, even when we're talking actually hitting, not just slapping a disrespectful kid. It's going to require either significant injuries or a long history of calls regarding the same person.

Heck, most of the time you can be threatening someone with a butcher knife and still not go to jail.

[jp1]

You hit someone, you go to jail if the cops are called.


Cop: Sir, you can't hit your son. I'm going to have to book you.

Dude: But awwww man. He called me a twat. He deserved it.

No. No you don't.

Take it from someone who dispatches cops to family troubles where someone's hitting someone literally every single day I work: it's nowhere near as cut and dry as you'd like to think it is. The overwhelming majority do not go to jail, even when we're talking actually hitting, not just slapping a disrespectful kid. It's going to require either significant injuries or a long history of calls regarding the same person.

Heck, most of the time you can be threatening someone with a butcher knife and still not go to jail.

Well, now I am convinced this is a regional thing. I have discussed my sister in law and her problems at length here so I won't go into that further, let me just say that I have seen first hand at least 10 cases of domestic violence (not all her, but a significant portion) and in all cases the police make it a point that "someone" is going in. They don't want the liability of leaving someone at the house after such a call and things going even more sideways. This is policy here. I live in a small suburb area with a large police force and relatively low crime rates so perhaps they have the manpower and space to afford leaning toward the side of caution. Other extended family has been known to have some issues with this as well, and same thing happens every time. If one party is marked up, other party goes to jail. If both parties are marked up, they take separate trips to the same place. If nobody is marked up, they will choose for you based on who seems most believable.

In many cases though it results in nothing more than a night or two for a first appearance and then the case either being pleaded out to community service or dropped altogether. I see the point in a burden of proof. I just make it a personal policy of mine not to go around hitting people unless I feel threatened in a physical way that would justify the situation, not just due to the fact I will most definitely get arrested, but in part.

Anyway, beating a dead horse at this point. I was just trying to clarify that I made no such insinuation about mjmjr25 "advocating child abuse.", especially being that he is a father and by all accounts of what I've seen posted a good one...I didn't want that to be misunderstood. So, apologies if that was what you felt was represented by my post as it wasn't my intention.

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[mjmjr25]

I was just trying to clarify that I made no such insinuation about mjmjr25 "advocating child abuse.", especially being that he is a father and by all accounts of what I've seen posted a good one...I didn't want that to be misunderstood. So, apologies if that was what you felt was represented by my post as it wasn't my intention.

Not at all and no worries - I wanted it to be clear for anyone who only saw some of the posts that my comment was specifically geared toward the one specific circumstance.

Ending a weeks' vacation being sorta cruddy - cough, cold, lightheaded. Tried playing just a mindless board game w/the kids (Malarkey) and even that was difficult. Back to the couch and watch the kids play Plants vs Zombies Garden Warfare.

[emwearz]

Tony Abbott is an utter dickhead, After failing multiple, times he only got into power because the opposing party pretty much fell into itself. He won't be re-elected, he has some of the lowest ratings on opinion poles in our countries history.

He is extremely pro monarchy, pro sexism, pro bigotry, pro dickhead.

The irony with his comments is that quite a lot of people would agree that when the Queen passes away, Australia will have another referendum on becoming a republic and most likely pass. (In 1999 we had one and it won out 55% to 45%).