World is Falling Apart Thread (Locked forever)

[Ivo]

Yes I am sure. For example, a Portuguese national can bring his Chinese wife to the UK without any financial requirements. The law only applies to British nationals and their non-EU spouses. I've had this confirmed by an immigration lawyer.

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In simple terms, EEA citizens have stronger migration rights than UK citizens, since they can bring in family members from outside Europe in this way.

I can live and work somewhere within the European Union and then exercise my rights. But it is going to cost thousands of pounds (hotel fees, rent and paperwork). As I've said, I cannot go to Ireland due to my dual-nationality.

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This is ridiculous if it is indeed true, I still think there is something missing.

If it was as you describe and from the quote you brought from the BBC (which I went to read), you can just use your status as EU citizen, override your status as a UK citizen, and bring your non-EEA spouse.

SO I don't see why you would need to live elsewhere in the EU to do this, you are ALREADY an EU citizen without needing to live 3 months anywhere.
So either you just need to go back and specify that you are coming in as a EU citizen (not as an UK one)...
OR (more likely) there is something to the 3 months elsewhere that we are not getting from your description and from the articles, but *would also apply to any EU citizens* i.e. a Portuguese could only bring his Chinese wife to the UK if they had been working/living in Portugal or any other member state for 3 months as well.

The bottom line would be that the EEA members would still have the same exact rights as the UK citizens - just an easier time as exercising it.
Of course that is a bit like saying homosexuals have the same right as heterosexuals, as both can marry the opposite sex. Technically it is the same right, it is just that it is a bit less interesting/useful for the homosexuals!

Anyway back to the topic, I don't know what job you (and your wife) currently have, but I think you can easily do a seasonal job in Portugal or Spain for 3 months during harvest time, and get accommodation provided as part of the package. It is menial labour though and it will pay crap, but you will be able to go in to the UK after.

Check this kind of stuff:
http://www.wwoof.pt/

[Ivo]

I can't use my European rights within the UK. They don't recognize Britons exercising such rights. They'd deny my wife from even boarding a plane to the UK anyway. I have had this scenario confirmed by an immigration lawyer.

The British Government knows this is illegal but they have been getting away with it for years now.

I think if it was so clearly illegal as you are stating, it would have been challenged in European courts already. If you are so convinced you could try to get a movement running to do exactly this.

Meanwhile, consider the type of solution of seasonal work where you get lodging and food for your labour. You won't get rich doing it, but you won't spend more than your time and effort to get those 3 months in. As you said, you aren't getting any younger and want to have a kid.

[Ivo]

Just think it through carefully and be sure that you can move into Portugal (or Spain). You are still bringing in a non-EU spouse after all.

I don't see how it is going to cost you that much money.

You lose 3 or 4 months salary in China (which is not apparently so high anyway), and pay an extra trip from Portugal to UK as far as I see it.

The trip from China to Portugal is probably about as expensive as the trip from China to the UK.

During the 3 months in these kinds of Farming "volunteer" work, you get accommodation and food. I think you also get a small amount paid, but you should find out. So in principle no additional costs there, just not any real income either.
Try to discover which farm owners are reputable and not from the feedback of previous people that have done it, as I think conditions can vary widely.

Then you need in addition to pay for a trip from Portugal to the UK. If you book in advance with easyjet or ryanair I'm sure you can get rather cheap flights.

[MrPopo]

It seems like the Russian Federation will slightly get bigger as of today.

[Aramonde]

Do you guys think we might possibly be on the brink of another cold war? Especially if Russia and China work together?

[oxymoron]

Could you guys explain to me what exactly is happening in Ukraine?

[oxymoron]

Is this something that could lead to WW3?

[oxymoron]

But how does Russia's and Ukraine's conflict give them the opportunity to attack Japan?

[Xeogred]

Slightly related, but what in the heck is up with the vacant mega cities China has built? Stumbled upon those recently and it's just insanely creepy.

[RCBH928]

I learned that seeing another world war is very very very unlikely. Politicians are too scared, I guess its because they either are living a good life already and don't want to lose it (Britain, France, USA, Russia) or know for sure they can't win it (North Korea, Saddam's Iraq, Iran) .

Politicians learned that they can get what they want without bombing each other use sanctions, cut the internet, cut oil supplies, blackmail..etc. If the enemy's government does not give in, the people will revolt in the long run.

For World War 3 to happen we need some one like Hitler to reach top position in a country that is well armed and strong enough not to be bullied by the big guys, basically USA, EU, Russia, and China.