The Comic Book Thread

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Geoff Johns is an average writer at best?! BWAAAA HAAA HA HAAA HAAA!!!!

That's good. That's one of the most hilarious things I've heard in a long time. Thank you.

He just completely made Green Lantern a book that sold on par with X-Men and Batman books for years on end. He completely reinvigorated the JSA, a team that before his touch was a relic of the past. And he made one of the greatest crossovers in the last couple of decades: Infinite Crisis. But he's average, yeah.

He's EASILY one of the best comic writers in the last decade or so.

I'm glad you not reading what I posted correctly was one of the funniest things you have heard in a long time.

If you reread my post I did not say he is the worst but instead "Geoff Johns has become an average writer at best." It is my opinion that his talent peaked and has declined. We are allowed to have different opinions, and one should not chastise another because of it. Also in my post, I did state that his Green Lantern run, specifically Rebirth, and his JSA was great... these are the same titles you are using to prove that he is a good writer and are the same titles that I gave him credit for. I also loved Flashpoint, but many others who dislike the New52 would not agree with me. I liked most of his Aquaman run, I'll admit that I am bias since I am a HUGE Aquaman fan and LOVED the "Throne of Atlantis" story, but his need to make epic crossovers annoy me.

To restate my opinion that must not have been clear before: Johns' skill has declined (in my opinion, which I am entitled to have) and most of his current books move at a snails pace. I am not saying he is a bad writer, I just think he is not as good as he used to be which was one of the best in 2000s... Maybe you do too since you also cited work that was from a 2000 (JSA), 2004 (the start of his run on GL) and 2005 (Infinite Crisis).

I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I can not stand people who belittle others for having an opinion, especially one that is well formed with factual evidence.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, I don't believe I said you weren't. But it's crazy, still. Geoff Johns is one of the most successful, popular, and reinvigorating writers of our time in comics. He had long-lasting, successful runs on all of these titles, even turning many previously dying series into top-tier titles.

-Aquaman
-Flash
-Forever Evil
-Green Lantern
-Infinite Crisis
-JSA
-Justice League

To say Geoff Johns is average is akin to saying Alan Moore or Roy Thomas is average. Did you really expect to say something like that, and just get away with it without somebody saying something?

And yet you're still acting insulting and haven't actually met the criticism that SpaceBooger leveled about Johns peaking and becoming more average than he was a decade ago.

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And yet you're still acting insulting and haven't actually met the criticism that SpaceBooger leveled about Johns peaking and becoming more average than he was a decade ago.

Yeah I did. Aquaman, Justice League, Flash, and Forever Evil are all current.

And pointing out Geoff Johns accomplishments are insulting? Are we sensitive Sallys today?

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And yet you're still acting insulting and haven't actually met the criticism that SpaceBooger leveled about Johns peaking and becoming more average than he was a decade ago.

Yeah I did. Aquaman, Justice League, Flash, and Forever Evil are all current.

And pointing out Geoff Johns accomplishments are insulting? Are we sensitive Sallys today?

And your apology for being insulting is...where now?

As for the others, Forever Evil has gotten mixed reviews, SB praised Johns' work on Aquaman and earlier Justice League, and Johns quite writing for Flash...what, several years ago?

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And yet you're still acting insulting and haven't actually met the criticism that SpaceBooger leveled about Johns peaking and becoming more average than he was a decade ago.

Yeah I did. Aquaman, Justice League, Flash, and Forever Evil are all current.

And pointing out Geoff Johns accomplishments are insulting? Are we sensitive Sallys today?

And your apology for being insulting is...where now?

As for the others, Forever Evil has gotten mixed reviews, SB praised Johns' work on Aquaman and earlier Justice League, and Johns quite writing for Flash...what, several years ago?

He wrote Flash several years ago when Wally was still Flash, yes. But he also wrote Flash: Rebirth and the following ongoing, as well as the New 52 Flash, too.

And you're crazy if you think I'm going to apologize for arguing that Geoff Johns is one of the greatest comic writers today. There's no way in hell the guy is just an average comic writer. Might as well say that Stephen King is just an average novel writer, he wrote those classics years ago, right? (I used the blue now, alright?)

[dsheinem]

Can't we just all agree that comics suck and that just about any form of literature is superior?

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He wrote Flash several years ago when Wally was still Flash, yes. But he also wrote Flash: Rebirth and the following ongoing, as well as the New 52 Flash, too.

And you're crazy if you think I'm going to apologize for arguing that Geoff Johns is one of the greatest comic writers today. There's no way in hell the guy is just an average comic writer. Might as well say that Stephen King is just an average novel writer, he wrote those classics years ago, right? (I used the blue now, alright?)

King does suck now, and some of his works I'd say are far worse than average. He sucked through the 1990s, peaked again with The Dark Tower(which he originally developed years before), but has gone back to sucking. Every writer has peaks and valleys, and in SpaceBooger's opinion, Geoffs has entered a valley. He may come up with something wonderful to escape it or sink further. But SB has every right to his opinion.

And I am now telling you as a moderator to be respectful of his opinion despite your disagreeing with it. I also will not tolerate sarcastic rebuttals.

[Forlorn Drifter]

Can't we just all agree that comics suck and that just about any form of literature is superior?

Can we agree not to fight about inane ideas like whether or not someone is a good writer based on inane ideas of what we believe makes a good writer, and not to insult forms of media people enjoy?

...No? Nevermind then.

I've been re-reading through the Walking Dead comics, and I kinda wish the original artist had stayed on, I liked his style a bit better. After that its still good, I just dislike how dark it all becomes, and how some of the characters tend to look alike at times.

[dsheinem]

Can't we just all agree that comics suck and that just about any form of literature is superior?

Can we agree not to fight about inane ideas like whether or not someone is a good writer based on inane ideas of what we believe makes a good writer, and not to insult forms of media people enjoy?

...No?

You forgot, I am angry today.

Grrrrrr!

[Forlorn Drifter]

Hey, we're in the comic book thread. You say you are Hulk today.

[Flake]

I don't know if it's Geoff Johns' writing going down hill or if he's just struggling to do anything decently with the ruins of DC comics since the massive (and unnecessary) reboot. All I know is that before DC comics did their best to lose me as a customer, Johns wrote some stories that spoke to me. I especially loved his ability to take a B-List hero that no one outside of myself and a few other neck beards could care about and turn them into true champions.

Spoilers follow:

Case in point: When Ted Kord briefly came back from the dead during Johns' run on Booster Gold. Johns took the cheapest and most overused gimmick in the medium and turned it into the comic book equivalent of It's a Wonderful Life - when Ted thanked Booster for caring enough about him to risk the universe to bring him back and then returned to the past to face his destiny, I about lost it.

I don't believe that John's could write that kind of quality just a few years ago and could now be only an average writer. I blame the absolutely stupid decisions of the people who sign his paycheck. Blaming Johns for struggling in the (stupid) New DCU is like blaming J. Michael Straczynski for the stupidity that One More Day was. If a writer is told to put drivel on a paper, there's only so much they can do to salvage it.