Random Thoughts Thread

[ZeroAX]

That's quite a come back. For your own sake, I recommend reading a book or two every now and then. And an article on fallacies. But I guess some people just regard thinking for themselves as too hard and not worth the trouble

I would borrow one from your bookcase but I'm guessing you only own copies of mein kampf

EDIT

I just put you in the foes list so I don't have to look at your posts anymore and we can stop being a headache to the moderators. Byyyye

[Menegrothx]

Seriously though, next time you try to use Reductio ad Hitlerum, atleast use it appropriately, so you can give the impression that you actually have a clue of what you're talking about and not just parroting terms that you've been taught to use.

[AppleQueso]

What the hell are you talking about? Who the hell are these "Islam-defending liberal atheists" you keep ranting about?

I already said it before, but opposing ideas that encourage discrimination against Muslims as a group in western countries is NOT the same thing as defending Islam as a religion. Chances are, if you see an atheist talking about "islamophobia" they're talking about the former. I've never met a single atheist who actually does the latter. I'm not saying they don't exist, but if they do they're certainly a minority.

[oxymoron]

Christianity is too common and boring. Islam is exotic so it's cool. "Fighting" Christianity in this day and age takes no courage what so ever. It has already been beaten into submission in most first world countries. Liberal atheists who think they're being "courageous" by attacking Christianity but who defend Islam are the worst.

And why is that? I personally believe that religion is just a means of instilling morality. It keeps people in order and keeps them from thinking outside the box. To me Christianity and Islam both have their own faults and defending one over the other isn't 'worse'. That line just makes you seem like an Islamophobe.

Edit: Added more to my comment.

I think he may have been meaning to point out the irony of that statement, which does happen. (Although I don't think it happens as often as he argues.) A liberal atheist is, in many ways, dependent on the follower of Islam, going to clash with them. A faithful Muslim is the same as a faithful Christian in that they are more likely to be conservative. I believe that is what he is getting at.

If he was saying that then there was no need to say 'worst'. That implies that defending Islam is worse than defending Christianity. Something like 'just as bad' would have worked and made him look like less of a bigot.

I'm w/ AppleQueso on this one. Why the heck would Atheists (one who does NOT believe in god) be defending a theist religion? That is the most redundant statement I've ever heard. Defending their right to practice is one thing but defending the religion in itself is a completely different thing. I could still understand if we were talking about Agnostic's but Atheists defending a theist religion makes no sense.

[Menegrothx]

What the hell are you talking about? Who the hell are these "Islam-defending liberal atheists" you keep ranting about?

Many leftists in Europe.
The political system in America is different so European point of view does not apply when talking about America and American point of view does not apply when talking about Europe. To my knowledge there aren't any cars being burned or neighborhoods where the police or firemen wont enter in America so the situation is obviously different there.

Chances are, if you see an atheist talking about "islamophobia" they're talking about the former.

The context where I usually see that word is when discussing about immigration politics. When that is the case, my point remains: if you're a liberal atheist, you should oppose mass scale muslim integration to Europe. That doesn't mean that muslims should be barred from immigrating to Europe or that they should be treated differently when moving to Europe. Again, mass scale immigration is not the same thing as all immigration. And again, this has nothing to do with discrimination.

If he was saying that then there was no need to say 'worst'. That implies that defending Islam is worse than defending Christianity.

Because from a liberal atheist point of view, it is. Everything that they criticize christianity for, islam does it worse. That doesn't mean that things have always been that way (like I pointed out, in the middle ages it was Christianity that was bringing forth the dark ages in Europe, while the Muslim world was much more advanced), or that things will have to be the same way in the future, but here and now, not only is the Christian world more prosperous and stable than the Islamic world, it's much more liberal and "humane". That doesn't mean that there wouldn't be some conservative Christian countries left, or some moderate muslim countries, but when you look at the big picture, Christian countries are far more tolerant and liberal.

[oxymoron]

Because from a liberal atheist point of view, it is. Everything that they criticize christianity for, islam does it worse. That doesn't mean that things have always been that way (like I pointed out, in the middle ages it was Christianity that was bringing forth the dark ages in Europe, while the Muslim world was much more advanced), or that things will have to be the same way in the future, but here and now, not only is the Christian world more prosperous and stable than the Islamic world, it's much more liberal and "humane". That doesn't mean that there wouldn't be some conservative Christian countries left, or some moderate muslim countries, but when you look at the big picture, Christian countries are far more tolerant and liberal.

I think you should stop this here as now you're starting to attack religions on a personal basis. I'm starting to see why ZeroAX blocked you.

[Menegrothx]

Isn't that the point? You asked how I can say that one religion is worse than the other, I explained why. Nor did I claim that to be some kind of universal truth, just that if you're judging religions from a liberal/atheist POV, islam is (currently) clearly a lot worse than Christianity. In it's practice that is, I'm not comparing the tenets of Islam to the tenets of christianity.

[oxymoron]

Isn't that the point? You asked how I can say that one religion is worse than the other, I explained why. Nor did I claim that to be some kind of universal truth, just that if you're judging religions from a liberal/atheist POV, islam is (currently) clearly a lot worse than Christianity. In it's practice that is, I'm not comparing the tenets of Islam to the tenets of christianity.

The point is to attack religions on a personal basis? I know RB is pretty open to discussing things other than gaming but can we at least keep religion out (especially in the manner you've started to discuss it)? I've said my share of stupid shit on here but I've have always had the decency not to bring in religion into it. Can you please drop this? You should try some religious or atheist forum. I'm sure they'd love to talk about this. Thank you.

[SamuraiMegas]

I need to learn this song.

Jesus is my nigga.

[oxymoron]

I need to learn this song.

Jesus is my nigga.

He did all that stuff literally 25 minutes from my house. Maybe I'll see him playing sometime.