Why do you think games like Gears only do so-so in Japan?

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Re: why you think games like Gears would do so so in Japan?

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Cronozilla wrote:I heard an explanation once that had a lot of resonance and made some sense. Their culture has a different view on weapons, specifically the gun. It's not a universal thing, but could explain why the mainstream audience doesn't find it appealing. As Americans, we see the gun as a tool of liberation. It's in our constitution that we can have them. It's a source of power. In Japan, it's usually represented as an extension of the body.

You can see this sort of sentiment reflected in random statements you see by Japanese developers too. Kojima, when asked if he'd like to see an American developer work on MGR if Platinum games hadn't been interested and he said, they'd probably change the Katana to a machine gun with a chainsaw on it and that'd be missing the point. While there is a very strong sense of superior-ism in the statement, it gives some reflection on how American (and potentially most western) culture is perceived in the entertainment industry. I'm paraphrasing a bit, but this is all anecdotal anyway.

Chances are we're only seeing style being reflected at all because western media has saturated the globe for a generation or more. Which ... isn't really the case with video games.

And Japanese gamers have been playing on dedicated computers for awhile now. Most of the initial Japanese consoles were computer systems. They just didn't adopt the x86 PC platform.
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Gamerforlife wrote:Games like Gears have their roots in PC gaming, as do all shooters. Japan has never cared for PC gaming. So there's probably never been a cultural appreciation for shooters on any level, even before they got big on consoles here in the West
The PC98, MSX, etc were all pretty popular. They were playing PC games, just different games on completely different PCs.
Yeah, but seriously though. Has PC gaming ever been HUGE in Japan? Not nearly as big as it is in the West, and it's not even that big in the West compared to console gaming. So it must be a very small market in Japan by comparison
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Gamerforlife wrote:Yeah, but seriously though. Has PC gaming ever been HUGE in Japan? Not nearly as big as it is in the West, and it's not even that big in the West compared to console gaming. So it must be a very small market in Japan by comparison
Many of Konami's early franchises started on the MSX, along with Aleste for instance. PC98 was HUGE for pron games. That's probably about where the state of PC gaming in Japan is today: Adult games. Mostly porn, but Gears of War and such are Z rated, meaning 18+; the same as pornography.
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pierrot wrote:I think it's a multifaceted issue, though I think it has a lot to do with a different sense of aesthetic. I remember talking with one of my older students about comics once, and he mentioned that he didn't care for western comics because they weren't "beautiful." I felt slightly offended, because I think that western comics are generally drawn very well, and I enjoy that they're in full color, but i essentially understood him to mean that there wasn't quite as much focus on nuanced details of drawing in western comics as in some of the more elaborate Japanese comics; say The Five Star Stories for instance.
Western comics aren't just about Garfield and Peanuts. Nor superhero comics for that matter. If you look into American underground and European comics, you can see some mindblowingly awesome art. For example Mœbius' work has influenced Hayao Miyazaki. Usually "funny comics" look just as bad in Japan as they do in the West. It's because the focus is on the humor. Old school South Park looks crap but it's funny. I don't find Family Guy funny, but many people do. It's another example of a show that looks ugly because it doesn't need to look good, as it attracts viewers by funny writing.

Dismissing a comic or a cartoon that's otherwise brilliant just because it doesn't use a very appealing art style is like refusing to play flawless and brilliant classic video games because of their graphics.
Gamerforlife wrote: Yeah, but seriously though. Has PC gaming ever been HUGE in Japan? Not nearly as big as it is in the West, and it's not even that big in the West compared to console gaming. So it must be a very small market in Japan by comparison
The popularity isn't that important if most of the gamers are hardcore gamers who are willing to put thousands into state of the art gaming equipment. They are devoted fans who can appreciate the radical and unconventional visions of game developers and want to support them. In return they'll get awesome games that are developed by small and very devoted studios, games that are catered towards hardcore gamers. Neo Geo is a good example of that on the console side of things. On the other side of the spectrum there is a huge number of casual gamers who play games like solitaire, minesweeper and Facebook games but even if there are plenty of gamers like that, developers know that it's not profitable to cater to that crowd.
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EvilRyu2099 wrote:Just FYI games like CoD and BF sell very well in japan.. Very comparable to popular RPGs in fact..
This is true. Well, for COD it is, not so much for Battlefield. COD is very popular in Japan. All of the latest releases have sold immensely except for "World at War" which, for obvious reasons, didn't get released in Japan.
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Gamerforlife wrote: Yeah, but seriously though. Has PC gaming ever been HUGE in Japan? Not nearly as big as it is in the West, and it's not even that big in the West compared to console gaming. So it must be a very small market in Japan by comparison
The popularity isn't that important if most of the gamers are hardcore gamers who are willing to put thousands into state of the art gaming equipment. They are devoted fans who can appreciate the radical and unconventional visions of game developers and want to support them. In return they'll get awesome games that are developed by small and very devoted studios, games that are catered towards hardcore gamers. Neo Geo is a good example of that on the console side of things. On the other side of the spectrum there is a huge number of casual gamers who play games like solitaire, minesweeper and Facebook games but even if there are plenty of gamers like that, developers know that it's not profitable to cater to that crowd.
Well that's all well and good but has nothing to do with the point I was making
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Yeah, PC games are only popular for doujin fans.
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Gamerforlife wrote: Well that's all well and good but has nothing to do with the point I was making
Even if the market share is small, an underdog system can still produce a high number of influental games under the right circumstances. Even if Unique and Innovative game number 1 on the underdog system only sells a fraction of the copies that Playing it safe part 3 does on the most popular system, it can still have a much larger impact on gaming in the long run. So in other words, even with much smaller install base and amount of games, the unpopular system can have a much bigger great/influental to mediocre/bad/bland game ratio than the really popular system. Turbografx, Lynx, Saturn and Dreamcast fans will most likely agree with this notion.
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Because the most popular system is the most logical choice for shovelware. Although...shouldn't PC be the biggest platform?

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pankakes123 wrote: Japan loves stuff like anime, futile Japan, samurais, etc.
feudal....feudal. :lol:
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hashiriya1 wrote:COD is very popular in Japan. All of the latest releases have sold immensely except for "World at War" which, for obvious reasons, didn't get released in Japan.
What reason is that? It can't be you fighting Imperial Japan, right?
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