Demonoid Gone

[Michi]

Michi, thanks. I'll see about it. My main hope is that I wouldn't have to cut the songs myself, but I guess I can't help that.

Yeah. There's really no easy way to just do one song at a time.

With Audacity you have to hit the 'record' button yourself. So if you start the record somewhere in the middle you'll probably have to chop off the end of the song in Audacity anyway, because chances are you'll end up getting part of the beginning of the next song until you get the timing right. But I found Audacity pretty user friendly, so for me it's not that big of a deal. I just always found it easier to record the whole album and then save the separate songs as individual mp3s.

Or if I was feeling particularly lazy I just saved the whole file as one big mp3

[SpaceBooger]

This argument shouldn't be a "right or wrong" debate since there is no gray area - the law says it is illegal to steal. Stealing is stealing, and supply and demand are why people came to this country - it's the American dream. I never heard of anyone getting off the boat at Ellis Island and being handed a huge slice of Dream Pie - they had to work for their slice.

Anyway, as a teacher I have made copies of text for students and as a gamer I have roms in my MAME cabinet, so I have pirated. I have my own moral compass and will not take copies of like movies, music, TV and other things that are making the original owners money. I guess it all boils down to whether you are willing to pay the price if/when you get caught. If you are stealing to eat than the answer is probably yes. If you are stealing cable TV shows... I imagine you will complain that "it isn't fair" and you should be able to watch the shows too. Either way, life isn't fair and we all need to live within our means and need to be prepared if we overstep our boundaries.

In the end, I am sad to see a resource go and I won't judge anyone who can sleep easy at night without feeling the need to justify their personal stance "for" or "against" pirating.

[scarper]

Piracy been around since the world started turning. And it's gonna keep right on turning right along with it. Until this little planet rotates off its axis as a result of it's core overheating and explodes into cosmic dust! Can you dig it?
Bonus points to whoever recognized this quote.

On a slightly more serious note, I like piracy and emulation for their ability to preserve video game history. Video games in general do not last, because they break, they become rare, the print run may be low,... stuff happens. Services like Virtual Console and PSOne Classics do not complete preservation, since the library is always limited. With emulation, video games are preserved through accessibility on mainstream platforms, like computers, smart phones, etc.

I'm all for allowing current developers more money, but this can be done by killing files, not entire websites. Things like this degrade the preservation of media history, for video games, music, and film.

I honestly never used Demonoid, but them getting shut down is a step in the wrong direction.

[wclem]

I never said the entire market. I agree fully, it's all about maximizing profit. Like I said, ENOUGH people think it's worthwhile at price X for profit to be maximized. What I don't understand is why you think everyone should get everything.

I dont think everyone should get everything. I think we all need to work for what we have. But until the guy flipping burgers to support his family gets paid a reasonable, livable wage then at least a site like demonoid evened it out a little. Nothing should be free but the burger flipper is paying just in a different way. His low wage is the reason the big money earners get their high wage. They are no better than him, but the two work just the same. Is it right that one gets privileges the other does not just because of a matter of circumstance? Is the CEO more entitled because he has lived a more privileged life? These are the things I am questioning.

I myself have been all the way on the bottom and way up on the top only to be dropped back down again. I have seen how you are treated differently and how people think they are better because they have more.

The real funny thing is that in a country where people are losing houses at a record pace, murders are way up and crime overall is a problem that we are concentrating resources on a problem that mostly puts the hurt on the very rich. (yes I know some poorer people do to, please dont argue it). The point is that the money is determining what is a worthwhile crime to pursue, meanwhile little Billy Bob is being ass raped by a Penn State athletic.....er.... they did get him, just after many years of him doing it. Actually they didnt get him or catch him, someone turned him in. So what is worse, you tell me. It is just not right, not even close. REAL crime is going on but they have to keep the rich happy. Do you even think for a minute if you were murdered they would invest this much to solve it? Not likely, hell look at the stats, in some areas they catch the killer less than half the time. but they got the BIG BAD PIRATES OOOHHHHH......

Does that make sense or is it lost in translation?

Going to Goodwill to share some of my good fortune, donate some stuff for them to sell, see you in awhile!

[Jmustang1968]

I never said the entire market. I agree fully, it's all about maximizing profit. Like I said, ENOUGH people think it's worthwhile at price X for profit to be maximized. What I don't understand is why you think everyone should get everything.

I dont think everyone should get everything. I think we all need to work for what we have. But until the guy flipping burgers to support his family gets paid a reasonable, livable wage then at least a site like demonoid evened it out a little. Nothing should be free but the burger flipper is paying just in a different way. His low wage is the reason the big money earners get their high wage. They are no better than him, but the two work just the same. Is it right that one gets privileges the other does not just because of a matter of circumstance? Is the CEO more entitled because he has lived a more privileged life? These are the things I am questioning.

I myself have been all the way on the bottom and way up on the top only to be dropped back down again. I have seen how you are treated differently and how people think they are better because they have more.

Does that make sense or is it lost in translation?Going to Goodwill to share some of my good fortune, donate some stuff for them to sell, see you in awhile!

We aren't in a socialist society. Burger flippers make less because they are an untrained laborer. It is a job often filled by high school kids and almost anyone can do it. People with degrees and specialized experience get paid moe for their work. And rightly so. Those who challenged themselves and pursued a degree should get better compensation as a whole vs those who do not. The market dictates wages.

[wclem]

I never said the entire market. I agree fully, it's all about maximizing profit. Like I said, ENOUGH people think it's worthwhile at price X for profit to be maximized. What I don't understand is why you think everyone should get everything.

I dont think everyone should get everything. I think we all need to work for what we have. But until the guy flipping burgers to support his family gets paid a reasonable, livable wage then at least a site like demonoid evened it out a little. Nothing should be free but the burger flipper is paying just in a different way. His low wage is the reason the big money earners get their high wage. They are no better than him, but the two work just the same. Is it right that one gets privileges the other does not just because of a matter of circumstance? Is the CEO more entitled because he has lived a more privileged life? These are the things I am questioning.

I myself have been all the way on the bottom and way up on the top only to be dropped back down again. I have seen how you are treated differently and how people think they are better because they have more.

Does that make sense or is it lost in translation?Going to Goodwill to share some of my good fortune, donate some stuff for them to sell, see you in awhile!

We aren't in a socialist society. Burger flippers make less because they are an untrained laborer. It is a job often filled by high school kids and almost anyone can do it. People with degrees and specialized experience get paid moe for their work. And rightly so. Those who challenged themselves and pursued a degree should get better compensation as a whole vs those who do not. The market dictates wages.

So what you are telling me is the burger flippers have the same oppurtunity that the person who went to Harvard has? So we are all born to equal circumstances? My parent certainly did not have money to pay for Yale. Does the burger flipper work less hard?

People who are born poor generally stay poor. It is very hard to move up from poor even to lower middle class. I challenged myself, as do many poor people but guess what, it still does not work out. Not everyone has the path before them lit up like christmas for an easy ride. Do you really think that is as easy for a lower income class to succeed as it is for an middle or higher income class person? You dont get this because you simply just do not know. Truth is most people on here have not ever been in true poverty or even done without. You just dont get how much more it takes for those people.

It is the narrow point of view I have seen from people that makes this all hard to understand for them. All some people have ever seen is or even acknowledged is how they grew up an the circumstance they experienced.

Does the burger flipper deserve less pay just because he was presented with less of a chance. Not everyone who tries will succeed and it is even harder to start on the bottom. For you to even for a moment to suggest that anyone can work hard and get away tells me you have never had to do without anything in your entire life.

I am done, putting this whole topic on ignore and now truly sorry I posted in it.

All who work hard will succeed my ass..........Go to my old high school.....

[mjmjr25]

If anyone discontent with burger flipping - didn't spend their time stealing entertainment and rather spent there off-time going to school (and since you think it's so tough to pay one's way through school <<< more excuses) or learning a needed trade, that doesn't require much money to train (apprenticeship, etc) one can make a very good living. I've never known a town in this country where a skilled (electrician, plumber, drywaller, mason, landscaper, locksmith, etc) couldn't get steady work at good (or better) wages. From there, that person can CHOOSE to continue their trade and become a master electrician, security installer, architect, planner, foreman, etc...and then that CHOICE will net them MORE money to buy MORE luxuries.

And the people who continue to piss and moan will CHOOSE to continue to piss and moan.

People rather enjoy helping folks in need, who truly are trying. That isn't what you ascribe to at all. Sad.

[Pulsar_t]

wclem, at least in this double dip everything even those who had rich parents to get them through those for-profit colleges are finding it hard to justify the expenses. Karma's a bitch.

This thread is so full of indoctrinated opinions..

[SpaceBooger]

People who are born poor generally stay poor. It is very hard to move up from poor even to lower middle class. I challenged myself, as do many poor people but guess what, it still does not work out. Not everyone has the path before them lit up like christmas for an easy ride. Do you really think that is as easy for a lower income class to succeed as it is for an middle or higher income class person? You dont get this because you simply just do not know. Truth is most people on here have not ever been in true poverty or even done without. You just dont get how much more it takes for those people.

Does the burger flipper deserve less pay just because he was presented with less of a chance. Not everyone who tries will succeed and it is even harder to start on the bottom. For you to even for a moment to suggest that anyone can work hard and get away tells me you have never had to do without anything in your entire life.

Not true.
I spent time growing up in public housing and on welfare. I was a straight C/b student school and got student loans to go to college. I learned there how to be disciplined and worked hard. I now have a nice middle class job, but there is a down side to this story. Our student loan payments are almost the same as my mortgage every month. I have an extra bill per month because I CHOSE to take government loans for college and wasn't forced to be anything.

Nobody is forced down a specific path, unfortunately some people are only shown one path. The fact that we have the freedom to steal stuff and think it's OK means we have the freedom as to what else we do with our life.

[dsheinem]

Truth is most people on here have not ever been in true poverty or even done without. You just dont get how much more it takes for those people.

It is the narrow point of view I have seen from people that makes this all hard to understand for them. All some people have ever seen is or even acknowledged is how they grew up an the circumstance they experienced. ...

For you to even for a moment to suggest that anyone can work hard and get away tells me you have never had to do without anything in your entire life.

Not true.
I spent time growing up in public housing and on welfare...

I wouldn't even bother responding to wclem at this point, since he's clearly guilty of the exact kind of profiling/assuming that he's charging "most people on here" with. All of his arguments in this thread are full of inane, idiotic, and baseless claims. If he truly is ignoring/abandoning the thread, any subsequent conversation will be all the better for it.

To maybe bring the discussion back to a more grounded topic: does anyone know any of the details about why/how Demonoid was brought down? I know that "they" got Megaupload on charges about how they handled their money (instead of about piracy itself)...I am curious if Demonoid also got brought down for something like this, or if "they" succeeded in making a strong anti-copyright case against what I thought was essentially a hosting service...