Demonoid Gone

[dsheinem]

I am sick of people ripping people who cannot afford the luxuries we all take for granted...I feel most of you have never really struggled and never understood going to bed hungry, or a christmas or birthday going by giftless or not even mentioned. Deprived of nutrition, proper medical care or any standard of life that we all deserve.

I love how the manifestation of your outrage that the users on this forum are making blanket assumptions about people they don't know is itself a blanket assumption about people you don't know. Thanks for the laugh, but please stop making any assumptions about any of our socioeconomic pasts or presents.

So as these rich people cry the blues because they didnt make enough millions while they pay people shit, then let em cry. Obviously torrents are not hurting them that bad, because I dont see all of the movie studios or recording studios shutting there doors. Metallica my only make 98 million instead of 100, aww poor guys.

Plenty of studios and retail stores have shut down in the past decade, and many have cited piracy as a factor. If everyone only torrented/pirated stuff from the richest bands/artists/studios than perhaps we could at least entertain your position here. That is far from the case, however, as piracy often disproportionately hurts smaller/struggling artists. Besides, isn't $2 million in theft STILL $2 million in theft, regardless of who it is from?

Piracy is not even close to one of the worst crimes that someone can commit. It is also something that almost everyone does at some point (kind of like speeding). None of that justifies it in any way though, and it is still always already theft.

[wclem]

I love stirring the pot.

So poor people are not entitiled to luxuries, just surviving? Wow what a twisted point of view.

No blanket statements DS, if it hurt man it was not intended.

So a guy who works just as hard as someone else but gets paid less does not deserve to as much because his "more well off" parents sent him to Harvard while the poor guy never got a chance to go anywhere?

Not everyone is entitled to every luxury, wow that one is still blowing my mind.

DS really, I never even read your post man, but since you responded:

I intentionally marked the end of my post, this whole thing is about everyone who fits it that is all. I believe you do not, and I think you would help a teacher in a poor school district buy a new text and make photo copies to pass out to the poor students. I think you feel that the poor kids deserve new textbooks as much as the very, very rich. Is it really wrong for the teacher to hand out photo copies so their students get to learn the same thing? My man, I know you would agree with me.

Now, as for citing piracy for closing doors? How many people who pirate something would have ever bought it? Where is the lost sale? I feel mis-management and poor financial decisions, and general stupidity have closed more stores.

Really DS, no beef man. You of most I feel would empty your pockets to feed someone or just show an under privileged child a fun day.

Now for this not everyone deserves nice things, wow man, you really have blown my mind. Maybe everyone would have nice things is everyone would share, give, or just in general be decent. Maybe if the people who are getting pirated believed is sharing as much as they believe pirates are they might make even more money.

So tell me this, someone who plays a kids game on sundays is entitled to luxuries beyond any of our imaginations, but someone like one of us who work our asses off for far, far, less isnt?

Do I believe people should earn what they get, yes I do. Do I believe the football player deserves more than the fry cook? No I do not.

wow I still cannot get past that statement!

[mjmjr25]

Did I deserve any less to enjoy things that people with more money than they will ever need enjoy?

The idea of "deserve" doesn't come into play.

We aren't talking about slavery. We aren't talking about being wrongly imprisoned.

We are talking about someone trying to legitimize stealing someone else's work.

If you create something that commands high dollars, if you provide a service that commands high dollars, if you entertain or play sport and people will pay high dollars to watch it, then those people providing the service get the money. This is really really easy stuff. Don't try to complicate it to suit a silly argument.

/Lame

[dsheinem]

DS really, I never even read your post man

How can you expect to have a conversation about this or for anyone to respect or engage with your point of view if you won't have the common courtesy to read the previous posts on the subject before making your points?

[indecks]

Don't make assumptions.

says the guy that claims I feel entitled.

pot. kettle.

[Forlorn Drifter]

I'm sorry wclem, but I see many flaws in your argument. One of the problems I see is that you are claiming its okay to steal stuff like this when you are poor. I may see one in a million cases where theft is justified. Honestly, I think theives of any sort are the lowest level of humanity. On occasion, there are times when stealing is justified. Very rare occasions.

Another factor is that if a person is as poor as you describe, how in the hell are they going to afford a decent computer, internet access, and/or a living space that can gain internet access? Let alone getting internet without a cap for a decent price.

Meh, cetain cases. IE, Hank 3 has two CD's of his that were released without his permission after leaving a record label. He tells us to "download them for free on the internet". Can't blame him. Disturbed tells us to steal one of their CD's. That's fine. Not many other cases exist.

[Hobie-wan]

It all simply comes down to the look what I have that you cannot so I am better that you attitude. I see so many people say "look what I bought" and everyone ooh and ahh at it. So what you have more money than someone else so you can buy it. I buy my movies, my games and all my other shit so I am better than you because I have more stuff. IT is a screwed up logic that people who have never done without, gone hungry, saw there utilities shut off or any other bad thing, have.

Maybe that was directed at me as I made the comment about owning a lot of music, maybe it was a generic blanket statement. You have posted your complete N64 cart collection and have a game room thread. You're obviously proud of your collection, and that's just fine, but this for others to ooh and aah about it when you get right down to it.

Note that while I have posted pictures of subsets of my collection like pinball stuff and whatnot on a few occasions, I do not have a game room thread. I don't have the biggest collection, but it is good sized after having been collected for a long time. I don't post it because a lot lives in boxes, I don't want to seem like I'm bragging, and for other reasons.

I swear a few of you middle class yuppy want to be's need to go down to the real ghetto and see how people live. I am sick of people ripping people who cannot afford the luxuries we all take for granted. So if the dad trying to support his family while working 60 hours a week at two dead end jobs for minimum wage wants to bootleg a Disney movie so his less fortunate kids can enjoy something the rich little kid down the road dont even appreciate then so be it. (terrible sentence structure LOL)

Luxuries are extra. That being said, even if you couldn't afford a rental to watch a specific movie, there is still normal broadcast TV which is readily available. Libraries often have video media that can be checked out for free. People are giving away (or selling cheap) old CRTs, VCRs, and VHS tapes all the time.

I feel most of you have never really struggled and never understood going to bed hungry, or a christmas or birthday going by giftless or not even mentioned. Deprived of nutrition, proper medical care or any standard of life that we all deserve.

I have admittedly never gone to bed hungry, but I don't ask for gifts and I don't remind people that my birthday is coming up. I hate the social obligations that go along with them and the expecations that some people feel on those days. In fact my birthday just passed. I didn't remind anyone. I handful of people knew and said something, and that's fine. I wasn't expecting or hoping for a big fanfare.

As for medical care, I am currently going through a big dental mess because I went through a period where I didn't have medical insurance and had a crappy paying job and it has caught up with me. Thankfully my other bills were under control but I did rely on some help and I still owe some big favors from that period of time. Right now it is going to cost me a lot to fix things. But again, I'm alive and fairly healthy, so it's ok.

So as these rich people cry the blues because they didnt make enough millions while they pay people shit, then let em cry. Obviously torrents are not hurting them that bad, because I dont see all of the movie studios or recording studios shutting there doors. Metallica my only make 98 million instead of 100, aww poor guys.

Before I go off the deeper end, what I am trying to say is that you need to look at this from another perspective, not just your own.

Potential big evil entity or not, let's make you the high roller compared to someone who is living under an overpass with the clothes on their back. Let's say you go through $100 cash in a month on things like parking, occasional road tolls, sodas, random food, tips, whatever. If this person kept jimmying the lock on your car (but not breaking the window) and stealing $2 of change every month, you'd be pretty annoyed.

Mr Lennon: no greed or hunger, a brotherhood of man.....

Just think where the arts would be if the above were true. How much is not put out because someone decided it would not make enough money.

Sharing the arts is great, but there's quite a difference between a busker who shares and hopes that people are entertained enough to contribute something back as opposed to TV shows and such that are created by a great many people who are also working to support themselves too.

[wclem]

DS really, I never even read your post man

How can you expect to have a conversation about this or for anyone to respect or engage with your point of view if you won't have the common courtesy to read the previous posts on the subject before making your points?

Damn it my other post disappeared. Seriously man, I skipped yours on purpose. I knew you would respond to me and I want to able to say truly that I was not attacking you. Just anyone who fits it. People who have never done without, never starved, never really wanted for anything. The person who will year after year return christmas presents because they will never appreciate anything given to them. Those who think this piracy is even worth the time of police or whoever when real, horrifying crimes take place everyday.

Please someone put this in their sigs.....

BAH HUMBUG, are there no prisons, no work houses?

[wclem]

I'm sorry wclem, but I see many flaws in your argument. One of the problems I see is that you are claiming its okay to steal stuff like this when you are poor. I may see one in a million cases where theft is justified. Honestly, I think theives of any sort are the lowest level of humanity. On occasion, there are times when stealing is justified. Very rare occasions.

Another factor is that if a person is as poor as you describe, how in the hell are they going to afford a decent computer, internet access, and/or a living space that can gain internet access? Let alone getting internet without a cap for a decent price.

Meh, cetain cases. IE, Hank 3 has two CD's of his that were released without his permission after leaving a record label. He tells us to "download them for free on the internet". Can't blame him. Disturbed tells us to steal one of their CD's. That's fine. Not many other cases exist.

Actually some schools will provide this for the poor.

[Forlorn Drifter]

I'm sorry wclem, but I see many flaws in your argument. One of the problems I see is that you are claiming its okay to steal stuff like this when you are poor. I may see one in a million cases where theft is justified. Honestly, I think theives of any sort are the lowest level of humanity. On occasion, there are times when stealing is justified. Very rare occasions.

Another factor is that if a person is as poor as you describe, how in the hell are they going to afford a decent computer, internet access, and/or a living space that can gain internet access? Let alone getting internet without a cap for a decent price.

Meh, cetain cases. IE, Hank 3 has two CD's of his that were released without his permission after leaving a record label. He tells us to "download them for free on the internet". Can't blame him. Disturbed tells us to steal one of their CD's. That's fine. Not many other cases exist.

Actually some schools will provide this for the poor.

Must have poor control over what websites are being used then. None of the schools within a hundred miles of me even allow use of Youtube, sites that even mention videogames (Racketboy, GameFaqs, etc.), and many other commonly used websites, let alone torrent sites/illegal download sites.

Still, I have yet to meet someone truly poor who steals. Everybody I've met that steals has more money than me. The poorer someone is, the more they appreciate work and being able to say they bought something legitametly with their own money.

I just don't like thieves.