Homosexuality

[Flake]

If the basic conceit of every argument against homosexuality is that "it's a sin", then the only thing I'm interested in knowing is: Why is it a sin?

Academically speaking, religion is an offshoot of early agriculture. Once nomadic people stopped moving and put down roots, it was possible to cull enough calories out of the land to free up entire people to be artisans, politicians, or anything but farmers. Most importantly, soldier classes were possible.

But to do that you need bodies.

So all the mono-theistic religions are heavy on the 'make babies' slant. An adversarial view of homosexuality is a natural result.

[sabrage]

I never started an argument. I stated my opinion, then others started an argument on the subject. I never even wanted to say it, and wouldn't have, if I had not been encouraged too.

My comment wasn't solely or directly aimed towards you, FD. Religion has been the dominating factor in this thread from the very first reply, and will likely continue to be so long as people are basing their prejudices upon its foundations.

Academically speaking, religion is an offshoot of early agriculture. Once nomadic people stopped moving and put down roots, it was possible to cull enough calories out of the land to free up entire people to be artisans, politicians, or anything but farmers. Most importantly, soldier classes were possible.

But to do that you need bodies.

So all the mono-theistic religions are heavy on the 'make babies' slant. An adversarial view of homosexuality is a natural result.

I purposely avoided the human factor in God's teachings for a reason. I have my own theories on the subject, but I'd like to hear a believer's perspective. I also understand that most of my responses will be like the little kid that just keeps saying "OK, but why?"

[Flake]

Alrighty guys, play nice. I'm out for the night.

I am wicked impressed by all of you - the level of discourse has been way high for this kind of topic on a video game forum. Let's keep it that way!

[harper]

So all the mono-theistic religions are heavy on the 'make babies' slant. An adversarial view of homosexuality is a natural result.

I really need to start posting what I'm thinking, I was going to mention something to this affect earlier. The fact that homosexuals will not/do not procreate, pretty much renders them useless and is probably a deep under-lying reason for all the hatred for them.

Also, this:

If the basic conceit of every argument against homosexuality is that "it's a sin", then the only thing I'm interested in knowing is: Why is it a sin?

And I don't quite understand the argument stating that gay people should not get married because being gay is a sin. Gay people don't sin any more or less than anyone else so why should they not have the same rights everyone else?

[mjmjr25]

Anyone is free to leave the discussion at any time.

The thread is fine - no need for all the pics.

I don't know if all the recent posters have read the entire thread - it isn't always necessary, but in this case, after reading a recent lengthy post, it's clear you didn't read it all and are out of touch with what this conversation is.

Ok, on topic,
Popo wrote:

You missed one critical thing from what I was saying. When your son lies you help him to see the error of his ways so that he can be redeemed. You do not tolerate his lying, but you do tolerate the fact that people are flawed and will make mistakes from time to time. By contrast you have people who claim they are fine with homosexuals and have homosexual friends but also believe deep down that they're evil. That's the part that bothers me.

I don't look at a homosexuals differently than I look at a straight person. As i've said, repeatedly, we are all sinners. My wife is a sinner, I don't look upon her with disdain or the thought that she is going to burn baby burn.

I have a few good friends who are homosexuals. I have hired homosexuals. It isn't the way I think you are suggesting it is.

I think many would say Religion and Christianity (which are both huge broad stroke words, btw) are hokey, and the "cliche's" Christians use when debating, are lipservice. But unless it is something you live, then that would be a logical impression, however it is not lipservice or other hokiness for those with a true faith, it really isn't. My mother, when she is insulted, or wronged, does not get angry, she does not curse, she does not wish ill on the person who has wronged her, she prays for them and the stress in their lives that has caused them to feel the need to wrong her, for their perceived benefit. I think that is an amazing thing, when you surround yourselves with people truly entrenched in the Holy Spirit, these types of arguments make a lot more sense I suppose.

When I tell you that I love everyone, that is true, 100%. Sure, some people annoy you and piss you off. If you truly have Christ in your heart, you find things to love about them, you pray for them, or often what I do, is ask God for the strength to show me how to love this moron, "...because Lord, I am really struggling to find the good in him."

[emwearz]

I have a few good friends who are homosexuals. I have hired homosexuals. It isn't the way I think you are suggesting it is.

[mjmjr25]

@sabrage, referring to ones beliefs as prejudices is not attune to good conversation. They may not be your beliefs, but they are still beliefs.

[mjmjr25]

@emwearz, everything is not answered with some cliche', just isn't. Read the thread before splashing pics. You don't have all context, as was evidenced by your first post in this thread.

Later Flake, popo, dsh...

netflix time.

/done

[sabrage]

"Homosexuality is a sin" - that is a belief.

"Homosexuals should be denied the same rights as their fellow man" - that is a prejudice. Whether or not those are the exact words that you would use to describe your own beliefs, as you yourself admitted, were you contacted by a pollster or were you to vote on the subject, you would be opposed to gay marriage. Again, not trying to single anyone out here, you just happened to be the one who replied.

[Forlorn Drifter]

"Homosexuality is a sin" - that is a belief.

"Homosexuals should be denied the same rights as their fellow man" - that is a prejudice. Whether or not those are the exact words that you would use to describe your own beliefs, as you yourself admitted, were you contacted by a pollster or were you to vote on the subject, you would be opposed to gay marriage. Again, not trying to single anyone out here, you just happened to be the one who replied.

Most here aren't saying they shouldn't be allowed to marry, but that they don't agree with the idea of homosexuality. I admit that I don't think it should be called marriage, but if they were to, I wouldn't mind.

If I personally was asked to vote on it, I more than likely wouldn't vote. That's a case that I just wouldn't feel comfortable voting on.