Do you think Sonic Generations is the best 3d Sonic?

[GameMasterGuy]

I think it being the most true to the Genesis originals while also being 3D gives it that top honor almost implicitly.

But, I do think people have been overtly harsh on some of the 3D Sonic games that weren't that bad. While the spin off series' are pretty much garbage, and the 2006 game was atrocious, as well as Black Knight ... I do think, in terms of gameplay, that Unleashed and Secret Rings had redeeming qualities, and colors is pretty good also.

I think the daytime levels in Unleashed are actually pretty awesome. I'm really glad that the Generation's modern levels took a queue from what they did there.

Pretty much contradicted yourself. Mainseries games are S1, S2, S3, S&K, SA, SA2, SH, S06, SU, SC, and SG.

[Cronozilla]

How is that a contradiction? I said most of the spin off games were bad ... as in to say, I'm not going to address them all.

And Secret Rings is not a bad game. The story is a joke, and the inter-species stuff is as nonsensical as always, but again, in terms of gameplay, there's nothing wrong with it. It just isn't what people wanted. Which I think is an unfair metric.

[Flake]

It just isn't what people wanted. Which I think is an unfair metric.

For a luxury good like a video game, that is the only metric that matters.

[Cronozilla]

That's a joke right? The majority of all beloved video games are not exactly what people wanted, they're not even remotely similar to games people wanted. They were games they never knew they wanted.

If only games were made that we KNEW people wanted there'd be no innovation of any kind and growing stagnation to a far higher degree than we'd already have.

No Journey, no Shadow of the Colossus, no ground breaking games, because only what people explicitly say they want will exist.

It's one thing to have gripes about a game, it's an entirely different matter to lampoon it because it wasn't a remake with a new coat of paint.

[Menegrothx]

The majority of all beloved video games are not exactly what people wanted, they're not even remotely similar to games people wanted. They were games they never knew they wanted.

If only games were made that we KNEW people wanted there'd be no innovation of any kind and growing stagnation to a far higher degree than we'd already have.

No Journey, no Shadow of the Colossus, no ground breaking games, because only what people explicitly say they want will exist.

You should do the major innovating by starting out fresh, not by butchering an existing game series because the marketing team says that if we add quick time events and online play, more 14-19 year old males will purchase the game. Sonic 06 didnt give the fans what they wanted. Sonic Generations gave the fans what they wanted.

No one had any expectations towards Ico, Portal or Shadow Of the Colossus because they werent Ico 2, Portal 2 or Shadow of the Colossus 2, as simple as that. I dont see why game makers should be stuck in making the same old series over and over again and trying to experiement with the different games, when they could make independant art pieces? How many Hollywood movies were perfect on the first go, but got stale and repetitive with the sequels?

[Cronozilla]

Except I'm not defending Sonic 2006. It seems like you're getting offended because I said Secret Rings wasn't that bad

[Menegrothx]

Except I'm not defending Sonic 2006. It seems like you're getting offended because I said Secret Rings wasn't that bad

I'm not, I have not played Secret Rings so I dont see how it's related. I just dont like games like Syndicate 2012 or new Silent Hill games that totally change what the whole game is about. You said

The majority of all beloved video games are not exactly what people wanted, they're not even remotely similar to games people wanted. They were games they never knew they wanted.

And my reply to that was that if you are trying to make a sequel to a great game, you should not try to fix what's not broken. But new games should try to be unique, rather than copying what the most popular game did. And I also said that what you said is also true, because all the innovative titles are always new games. There are no expectations towards them, they could be anything, and if they turn out great, people are pleasantly surprised.
So, video game industry, dont try to experiement if you are making a sequel to a beloved game franchise, you'll only screw things up. And if you are just making a new game, dont act like you are making a sequel to Call of Duty, Skyrim, Halo or any other game that is at the moment popular and of the genre as your game, you'll only create a bland an generic product that helps to oversarturate the market.

Confusing words from a sleep deprived individual

[Jungell]

I really love Sonic Generations, on the 3Ds. It's in my opinion the best game on the system and it's right up there with Sonic 1 & 2. Something just feels right, here.

[Cronozilla]

So, video game industry, dont try to experiement if you are making a sequel to a beloved game franchise, you'll only screw things up.

But most Nintendo games change things up in every sequel/iteration in drastic ways and people love them for it.

Sega tried to do similar things and some of the crazy new ideas were absolutely great. (Every new sonic game does something different, even the old ones)

I think people are more angry at the fundamental changes, like making sonic not about going fast or something. And I'm not arguing against that at all. I think if you're not true to some franchise, then there's no point in making it a sequel to that franchise ... then you're just using the name for marketing.

But at the same time, I think some of the most hated Sonic titles were a result from either very poor management, or cut dev times.

And Secret Rings is like $4. It's worth a try at the very least. It's the most unique controlling Sonic game that still plays like the Sonic Adventures. The story is just atrocious.

It's just a game that gets overtly bashed for the wrong reasons. (Namely the story) ...

[GameMasterGuy]

I've never heard it bashed for the story, only the linearity, motion controls, and mission structure. I actually love the mission structure, it genuinely feels like a find when you progress in the plot or find a secret ring... until they started integrating the SRs with the main story, but meh, you can't win them all.