upgrading new computer

[Cronozilla]

No idea. I guess so?

No one can really tell you. The only specifications on the case are the external dimensions. There's nothing in the manual about clearance for things. And you're the only person here with access to the actual machine.

You can look at what power supply it has (type, like ATX12v) and look up the standard it belongs to. It's probably ATX12V. (It just lists wattage on the specs)

In terms of power consumption ... you shouldn't really be laying out which power supply you'd be getting until you know what parts you're putting in. Some of the GPUs will use almost 200W on their own under peak load. There's a reason why most card manufacturer's suggest at least 500W supplies.

Power consumption would more likely be in the range of 500W peak for a decked out system on that board, so

this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817151093
or this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817151098

would make more sense. Still SeaSonic (good), pretty good efficiency, modular, same price range.

I assume it's the same form factor as the existing supply, but that's really something you have to check.

[gtmtnbiker]

I have the 400w version of that Seasonic supply and I can vouch for the quality. Everything about it screams quality. The power supply comes in a cloth pouch. The Cables come in another different pouch.

[Ziggy]

I made this suggestion earlier: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817194094

If you want something with the detachable cables, this one looks nice: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817194067

Or this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817194086

I love Enermax power supplies, they've been nothing but awesome to me.

Power consumption would more likely be in the range of 500W peak for a decked out system on that board

I input the X6 CPU, the 6790 GPU, ect into NewEgg's power supply calculator. It says the power requirements are just under 500w. Still, I like to over shoot and leave some headroom. If the power requirements are 500w, I would go 600w.

[Cronozilla]

You honestly think there's going to be a 100W overhead? Both the actual CPU and GPUs we've been listing, in real-world tests, use LESS power than their wattage calculator.

the 520-550W supplies I linked would be fine.

Also, in terms of manufacturers, you really can't beat SeaSonic. They're top of the line, and unlike most other manufacturers, they actually make their power supplies

Some of the Corsair units use SeaSonic supplies. Enermax has been on somewhat of a decline ... and those unites cost a bit more.

At this point in time, taking these levels of funds, it might make more sense just to build an entirely new system and send this one off to a family member The difference in price at this point is like $180.

This is getting a bit silly.

[Ziggy]

You honestly think there's going to be a 100W overhead? Both the actual CPU and GPUs we've been listing, in real-world tests, use LESS power than their wattage calculator.

It's more of a "play it safe" deal. A power supply might supply 500w when it's brand new, but that doesn't mean it will over the course of its natural life. That and the fact the he might upgrade more later on. A new series of GPUs that don't exist yet. A second optical drive, a second hard drive, etc.

the 520-550W supplies I linked would be fine.

They would be, I just wanted to put my two cents in.

Enermax has been on somewhat of a decline ... and those unites cost a bit more.

Aw, that bums me out. I like Enermax, I've had great experiences with them. I hate to see my favorite brand on a shit slide. But you're right, those prices were a little higher than average, come to think of it.

At this point in time, taking these levels of funds, it might make more sense just to build an entirely new system and send this one off to a family member The difference in price at this point is like $180.

You know, you have a completely valid point there. I was honestly thinking the same thing before, I just didn't wanna say it. He's already practically building a new computer, the only left will be the case, HDD, optical drive and mobo.

[ATARI800XLfan]

You honestly think there's going to be a 100W overhead? Both the actual CPU and GPUs we've been listing, in real-world tests, use LESS power than their wattage calculator.

It's more of a "play it safe" deal. A power supply might supply 500w when it's brand new, but that doesn't mean it will over the course of its natural life. That and the fact the he might upgrade more later on. A new series of GPUs that don't exist yet. A second optical drive, a second hard drive, etc.

the 520-550W supplies I linked would be fine.

They would be, I just wanted to put my two cents in.

Enermax has been on somewhat of a decline ... and those unites cost a bit more.

Aw, that bums me out. I like Enermax, I've had great experiences with them. I hate to see my favorite brand on a shit slide. But you're right, those prices were a little higher than average, come to think of it.

At this point in time, taking these levels of funds, it might make more sense just to build an entirely new system and send this one off to a family member The difference in price at this point is like $180.

You know, you have a completely valid point there. I was honestly thinking the same thing before, I just didn't wanna say it. He's already practically building a new computer, the only left will be the case, HDD, optical drive and mobo.

parents helped pay for it and they did not want to go the self built route, so I am kind of stuck. At this point in total I am looking at 410 bucks at most, plus the 450 including monitor I payed for the system so about 860 total.

[Cronozilla]

Ah that price isn't so bad. But ... if you built it from scratch with that price, it'd be upgradable to the AM3+ FX series too. Oh well, nice to get any help from the parents .

If you want to tack on $55, you can get a killer case to alleviate a good 90% of the issues you're having building the upgrade by buying this case:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811129066 (limited time price)

It's an absolutely killer deal (normally $80). I did get this case last year, also, it's a fantastic case. Pre-decked out with fans, easy to maintain, very nicely built. Air filters, all that cool stuff. I would actually really strongly urge you to do this. I had the Antec P180, or whatever, prior ... I think this case, overall, is nicer. It's easier to maintain and clean and work with. Also MUCH lighter.

You'd potentially be losing the SD card reader junk, but I imagine that's not as important to you. But if you really want one included, they're not that expensive.

The price of a new case is worth the guarantee that you could actually upgrade later, or install the GPU you want.

Ziggy587, I suppose you have a point. However, while it's not really that likely the power draw is going to strain the supply out too badly (after all, one of the ones I linked is a Gold certified, 90% efficiency rated supply) it'd only potentially happen much further into its life. If it reaches 50K hours of use, and it's still doing OK, then it's solid. (5 years or so)

Now, if you want to put in a different GPU later or more HDDs, yes this would be a hindrance due to the (possible) power draw needed.

I was just trying to give best possible supply for the current situation. I mean, if he doesn't change the case, he probably won't be able to put a more power hungry GPU in anyway. Even if it fit, ventilation is likely not very good.

Note about GPU Power Consumption:

But, also, it's important to note that, even though faster GPUs are coming out, they're not necessarily drawing that much more power. In fact, power consumption for GPUs has gone DOWN since the GF7 days. The rest of the components in the computer, however, have gone up. But the newer GPU chipsets are all smaller manufacturing scale, so they should consume something in the same range.

If you want something that will work for right now, and you don't want to pay more than you need to fully service the machine ... then the ones I linked are fine. I would suggest the Gold level SeaSonic, though. Not only is it fully modular, but the efficiency and warranty are very good.

Alright so if you want more power what do you think about these?

SeaSonic 620W 80+B 5Yr. $90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817151095

SeaSonic 650W 80+G 5Yr. $140 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817151088

These supplies would support a system with any existing AMD GPU outside of a 6990 (dual GPU card, I believe). The 7970 and 2HDDs would be supported, for example. (full RAM, and a BluRay drive, Phenom II X6, also)

Also, who puts in two optical drives? The days of having a reader and burner separate are OVER.

My posts are too loooooooooooooooooooooooong. >_<

[ATARI800XLfan]

Ah that price isn't so bad. But ... if you built it from scratch with that price, it'd be upgradable to the AM3+ FX series too. Oh well, nice to get any help from the parents .

If you want to tack on $55, you can get a killer case to alleviate a good 90% of the issues you're having building the upgrade by buying this case:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811129066 (limited time price)

It's an absolutely killer deal (normally $80). I did get this case last year, also, it's a fantastic case. Pre-decked out with fans, easy to maintain, very nicely built. Air filters, all that cool stuff. I would actually really strongly urge you to do this. I had the Antec P180, or whatever, prior ... I think this case, overall, is nicer. It's easier to maintain and clean and work with. Also MUCH lighter.

You'd potentially be losing the SD card reader junk, but I imagine that's not as important to you. But if you really want one included, they're not that expensive.

The price of a new case is worth the guarantee that you could actually upgrade later, or install the GPU you want.

Ziggy587, I suppose you have a point. However, while it's not really that likely the power draw is going to strain the supply out too badly (after all, one of the ones I linked is a Gold certified, 90% efficiency rated supply) it'd only potentially happen much further into its life. If it reaches 50K hours of use, and it's still doing OK, then it's solid. (5 years or so)

Now, if you want to put in a different GPU later or more HDDs, yes this would be a hindrance due to the (possible) power draw needed.

I was just trying to give best possible supply for the current situation. I mean, if he doesn't change the case, he probably won't be able to put a more power hungry GPU in anyway. Even if it fit, ventilation is likely not very good.

Note about GPU Power Consumption:

But, also, it's important to note that, even though faster GPUs are coming out, they're not necessarily drawing that much more power. In fact, power consumption for GPUs has gone DOWN since the GF7 days. The rest of the components in the computer, however, have gone up. But the newer GPU chipsets are all smaller manufacturing scale, so they should consume something in the same range.

If you want something that will work for right now, and you don't want to pay more than you need to fully service the machine ... then the ones I linked are fine. I would suggest the Gold level SeaSonic, though. Not only is it fully modular, but the efficiency and warranty are very good.

Alright so if you want more power what do you think about these?

SeaSonic 620W 80+B 5Yr. $90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817151095

SeaSonic 650W 80+G 5Yr. $140 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817151088

These supplies would support a system with any existing AMD GPU outside of a 6990 (dual GPU card, I believe). The 7970 and 2HDDs would be supported, for example. (full RAM, and a BluRay drive, Phenom II X6, also)

Also, who puts in two optical drives? The days of having a reader and burner separate are OVER.

My posts are too loooooooooooooooooooooooong. >_<

The SeaSonic for 90 was the one I am interested in. Thanks for the advice on the case.

[Ziggy]

Also, who puts in two optical drives? The days of having a reader and burner separate are OVER.

IDK, I can think of a few situations. If you wanted to duplicate many CDs on the cheap, you could set up 2 or more drives for simultaneous burns. Duplicators are expensive, but you can get a burner for like $15 new. It would be a cheap option for duplication. Or if you have one of those LG drives that can read GCN/Wii discs, you would probably want 2 drives since, IIRC, they're only CD-ROM drives.

But yeah, gone are the days where multiple optical drives are desired. It's funny though, back when a separate read and write drive would have been useful, the drives were too expensive. Now that they're dirt cheap, you don't need them.

[Cronozilla]

Dude be talkin' like it's 2002.