Presidential Address, March 6th 2012

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flex wood wrote:Not my point. I don't like Israel because of how they treat Palestine. From what I understand that is why Iran wants to nuke Israel.
Sure, because Iran is some kind of charity.
Honestly Iran has stated that they want to negotiate this out so the sanctions have been working. Why should Obama be set for war? The sanctions need time.
For each time Iran says they will cooperate they fire two missiles into the sea. And wanting to nuke people is not exactly wanting to negotiate.
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A couple comments since the topic has been brought up. The US is constantly telling other countries that they are not allowed to have nuclear weapons and set about creating sanctions and embargoes against any country that tries to develop the without the almighty blessing of the US. Who made the US the arbiter of who can and cannot possess nuclear weapons? They keep talking about how dangerous it will be if these people get possession of them. Please refresh my history, who is the only country to ever actually use nuclear weapons?

With respect to the Israel/Palestine situation, creating a Palestinian homeland right next to Israel would be like creating a homeland for the KKK in Africa. It doesn't seem right to create a country who has in its national charter to seek the eradication of the Jews and Israel right next to Israel.

Also, hasn't this whole scenario already been acted out before in 1923 with the Jews being pushed west of the Jordan river and the creation of Trans-Jordan from the eastern portion of what was then Palestine? You can see how well that worked out. The cycle was then repeated with the division of the with the whole UN creation in 1947 of separate portions of what was left of Palestine to create a section for the Jews who were forced to move there in 1923, and another for the Arabs who didn't want to leave. Of course, the Arabs didn't like this idea and 1 day after Israel declared their independence they were attacked by armies from 7 different Arab nations. They Jews prevailed and are now being blamed for "taking Arab land". Talk about sore losers. "Mommy, he hit me back!" How dare the Jews defend themselves and have the sheer gall and audacity to actually win?

Do we really need a repeat of that with 65 more years of hate and weapons technology added to the equation?
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BoringSupreez wrote:Sometimes I wish I could just send everyone in the Middle East to their rooms to think their behavior over.
Whoa. Not cool.

I think what you meant to say is that you would like to put all religious nuts and violent extremists to their collective rooms and make them think their behavior over.


But really, when Obama basically said "All Iran needs to do is tell us they aren't building nuclear weapons, and that's fine with us", I lost all confidence. We shouldn't have to ask, we should grow a set and tell them "We're coming to your facility, and if we suspect you are building a bomb, expect one to be dropped on your facility within 24 hours." Instead we're dicking around and are more concerned about campaigning.

I really believe we should be able to vote "no confidence".
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Israel, a non-signatory to the NPT, is freely allowed to hold nuclear weapons and threaten whomever they wish. Maybe Iran's biggest mistake was signing the NPT, thus surrendering their nuclear sovereignty.
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Luke wrote: I think what you meant to say is that you would like to put all religious nuts and violent extremists to their collective rooms and make them think their behavior over.

But really, when Obama basically said "All Iran needs to do is tell us they aren't building nuclear weapons, and that's fine with us", I lost all confidence. We shouldn't have to ask, we should grow a set and tell them "We're coming to your facility, and if we suspect you are building a bomb, expect one to be dropped on your facility within 24 hours." Instead we're dicking around and are more concerned about campaigning.
Go to your room, son.
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Zing wrote: Go to your room, son.

That's what the US does. I don't make the rules.
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Luke wrote: But really, when Obama basically said "All Iran needs to do is tell us they aren't building nuclear weapons, and that's fine with us", I lost all confidence. We shouldn't have to ask, we should grow a set and tell them "We're coming to your facility, and if we suspect you are building a bomb, expect one to be dropped on your facility within 24 hours." Instead we're dicking around and are more concerned about campaigning.

I really believe we should be able to vote "no confidence".
Once again, what gives the US the right to decide who does and does not have nuclear weapons. I understand the whole concept of the NPT, but this whole thing smacks of "I got mine and now nobody else can have any."
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Yes, non-proliferation is the whole point of the NPT.

However, it's pretty clear that if Israel wasn't involved, the USA wouldn't be.
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Jimmy Yakapucci wrote: Once again, what gives the US the right to decide who does and does not have nuclear weapons.
It's not only the US, it's the UN and the NPT agreement. The US is just the enforcer.

The US is basically the Bob Probert of the UN.
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Zing wrote: However, it's pretty clear that if Israel wasn't involved, the USA wouldn't be.
It is? Son.
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