Do all failed consoles from the 90s deserve there rep?

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Do all failed consoles from the 90s deserve there rep?

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If you do not want to read the text because of it's length you can watch the first two videos if you want(you really should).

Do you guys think all consoles from the 90's deserve the rep they have? Since collecting I have noticed that while most failed consoles from the 90's do somewhat deserve the bad rep they have and deserved to fail. Does this apply to all of them, were all of them rubbish or were there a few that deserved to do well and just had bad luck or came out at the wrong time? Two I always think of that deserved better would be the PC engine in the US and the 3DO.
For the latter it seemed to pave the way for latter consoles like the PS1, bringing up the PS1 if you count in the fact that Sony could make money off the games and in turn keep the price down on the PS1 while the 3DO manufactures could not they cost the same to make.

Though it was originally overpriced it did have good hardware for the time. Had good games that just seemed to come to late with too little marketing Hawkings explains" Personally I think to much is made of the initial price, in my view bigger problems were lack of good software launch and we had locked into a low license fee(3 dollars compared to the 9 SEGA charged) and could not subsidize lower price's or do much real marketing, key titles were as much as a year late, neither did the lack of piracy protection help also far too few of the Japanse game made it to the US such as the Alone in the Dark inspired game Doctor hauzer help". and did something not many American consoles do, which is being popular over in Japan.
It is an interesting note that the system had more models either released or planned in Japan and had quit a few interesting exclusives other there that never mad it to the US. This is a important anomaly while others American systems like the Atari Jaguar and Microsoft's consoles have all failed in Japan.

The 3DO had some degree of success. Hawkins explain " Your manufacturing partners were global companies and them and us had global hopes. Partners included Matsushita, Sanyo, LG, Samgun, Creative labs and Toshiba. Some of the more interesting peripheral's and merchandise were only released in Japan, while instead of looking at the system with distain like they do Microsoft's machines Japanese developers released many good games. Like warp which released titles like D, another developer that deserves mention is RPG loving microcabin, while they were not up with square but with a system starved of good RPG's they were a god send. Happly 2 of there RPG's made it to the west. Lucians Quest and Guardian war. Oddly many western games were localized for Japan even if they were not suitable, star control 2 which contains many hours of English dialogue had its text and voice over redone in Japanese. For a game built around communicating to many strangely voiced alien races to have all of the text and speech translated is a surprise, more surprisingly they did a good job.

But why did Japan support Trip Hawkins dream so strongly, one was price. Japanese business is polarized there is the big players like Sony then the more experimental little guys like Warp. The 3DO represented to little guys a opportunity to cheaply develop games on CD for the latest 32bit hardware, it was a excellent way to experiment safely on the medium and technology in preparation for later development on the Saturn and PS1. While there early 3DO efforts might have been rough around the edges the experience gained would be helpful later on. The second reason was that Japanese manufacturers were making it, tailoring it slightly which helped with gaining public acceptance the 3DO had ideals and Japanese involvement conversely the Xbox is unmistakeably American and far from idealistic. It's not that Japan is anti-American just pro-Japanese, when Matsushita was the first manufacture of the Machine the Japanese took noticed and assumed it to have Maurits.

Game estimates put the final game count at 200 though when including Japanese exclusives it jumps to more around 320 titles. In the beginning everyone had been optimistic but the reasons for the collapse were complex, 3DO was the first high tech company to go public without a real operating business preceding the dot come bubble.

The irony of this is that by going public and achieving a market value of more then 1 billion dollars, 3DO first lost it's strategic partners because they had a highly profitable exit and then 3DO failed because it access to capital dried up. Many people think of a IPO as a victory, but for the 3DO it was a death sentence. :(


While the PC engine was defiantly one that deserved better, it was a good price, had excellent games, and looked good for it's time but ultimately come down to less capital to spend on marketing unlike Nintendo.
Here is a video history look at the 3DO


3DO - History Overview Of The Console Pt 1


3DO - History Overview Of The Console Pt 2


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Its all about marketing, company recognition, and price.

In the 90's both Nintendo and Sega had the cash to promote their product through various media.

Late 90's with the sony label it added a third well known company.

Some people like to adopt early technology with their initial support of their money. IE; first time buyers, and that guy that buys the most expensive stuff.

But for some parents thats not possible. Why are the going to pay $700+ dollars for a 3D0, When they can get a much more familiar, mainstream (and cheaper) console for hundreds of dollars less? Only for little Johhny to break the CD? Cartrigdes are much more durable.

The one with the most money wins in this type of game.
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flojocabron wrote:Its all about marketing, company recognition, and price.

In the 90's both Nintendo and Sega had the cash to promote their product through various media.

Late 90's with the sony label it added a third well known company.

Some people like to adopt early technology with their initial support of their money. IE; first time buyers, and that guy that buys the most expensive stuff.

But for some parents thats not possible. Why are the going to pay $700+ dollars for a 3D0, When they can get a much more familiar, mainstream (and cheaper) console for hundreds of dollars less? Only for little Johhny to break the CD? Cartrigdes are much more durable.

The one with the most money wins in this type of game.
though only the fist model was that much, the first Pioneer was more around 500 and the second version of the 3DO was more around 400. though if you look at it, the PS1 probably did cost around 600 to make, just had money from publishers were as the manufacturing partners making the 3DO could not make money on the games and had to sell the system at cost, that is one of the major reason I think the 3DO failed, if they could have manufactured it themselves and had a slightly higher licensing fee it could have ended differently. They also spurred the market when it came to technology.
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Erm... I can't read that wall of text. So just based on the thread title...

Absolutely not. I really wish 3DO had handled the 3DO better instead of licensing it out to 3rd parties. It would have been interesting to see how it would've competed with the Saturn and PlayStation later on. The TurboGrafx certainly didn't deserve it's death, at least no more than the Saturn did.

The Jaguar was cool but had tons of flaws that I guess in the end did deserve the hate it got. The controllers sucked, the cartridges sucked, the build quality sucked...
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RyaNtheSlayA wrote:Erm... I can't read that wall of text. So just based on the thread title...

Absolutely not. I really wish 3DO had handled the 3DO better instead of licensing it out to 3rd parties. It would have been interesting to see how it would've competed with the Saturn and PlayStation later on. The TurboGrafx certainly didn't deserve it's death, at least no more than the Saturn did.

The Jaguar was cool but had tons of flaws that I guess in the end did deserve the hate it got. The controllers sucked, the cartridges sucked, the build quality sucked...
Sorry about that, am trying to make it easier to read, just watch the first two videos if you want the history and reasoning behind it, put some of the text from the videos into text for people to get a taste.
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The Turbographix never really got a good start in the US market. The stranglehold Nintendo had here in the US really took a toll on NEC and its turbographix.

(dont quote me here) In Japan TG16 was quite popular. I believe it was competing directly with NES over there. Sega had some popularity there too, but it was the third place company in those late 80's.

When it was finally decided to bring the TG16 to the US, Nintendo's policy with developers of "only make games for us" really crippled the system.

Sega's Genesis console finally broke Nintendo's winning streak forcing more competititon in the videogame market. But by then the TG16 was last place.

which led to the great console wars of the 90's.
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another problem was that with the low licensing fee's meant trip couldn't offset the problem of the high price. The generosity in licensing fee's did not help them as excepted. Ironically the software companies did not appreciate the low fee's.
First they complained the fee's were still to high then they jumped into bed with Sega and Sony and agreed to pay fee's that were three times higher, software companies were obsessed with who would sell enough hardware units, so they bet on all the horses but only 3DO suffered from being unable to fund it's business.

Meanwhile the honorable decision to get rid of territory lockouts making it region free like many decisions were based on giving consumers the best deal and what they should have wanted. As Hawkins put's it "what we thought was the right thing for the world and the public. It shows you just how far you can go in the real world with such idealism", and he is right of course. As it was the greedy Japanese companies with there need of global control that ended up winning the consoles wars. The idealism of creating a single format were you could play games from anywhere in the world ultimately died with the 3DO.
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flojocabron wrote:The Turbographix never really got a good start in the US market. The stranglehold Nintendo had here in the US really took a toll on NEC and its turbographix.

(dont quote me here) In Japan TG16 was quite popular. I believe it was competing directly with NES over there. Sega had some popularity there too, but it was the third place company in those late 80's.

When it was finally decided to bring the TG16 to the US, Nintendo's policy with developers of "only make games for us" really crippled the system.

Sega's Genesis console finally broke Nintendo's winning streak forcing more competititon in the videogame market. But by then the TG16 was last place.

which led to the great console wars of the 90's.
Other than your spelling, I think you nailed it. Hell, they couldn't even get SFII' on the TG-16 even though it was released in Japan and as good as the SNES/Genesis versions.
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yah! comes to show you that cant spell right a failed console! :oops: :oops:

we are all guilty of bad mispelling!

Growing up I only knew of one kid who owned a tg16! most everyone I knew had either an Nintendo or Sega console.
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I somehow knew Breetai would post in this thread.
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