What is your least favorite and most favorite console?

[Balasubbie]

My favorite has to be the Saturn. there is so much nostalgia that it just blows my mind. it reminds me of Las Vegas, Lol..seriously my family and I would stay at Circus Circus hotel and I would always go upstairs to the arcade section and always remember playing; Daytona USA, Virtua Fighter, Vitua Cop, and I believe it was dynamite cop or was it die hard the arcade game?? I dont know, but boy when I got my Saturn I was one happy kid.

My least favorite has to be Sony Playstation. I was given the Playstation as a gift a year after i bought my saturn. but never got into it..

Dynamite Cop is what the called the sequel to Die Hard arcade, as they'd lost the license to use the name at that point.

[Soldier Blue]

No mention of the Apple Pippin???

[Hazerd]

Most Hated: Nintendo 64

[Hazerd]

I agreed with that sentiment. It's just relatively tame otherwise. One or two genres do not a 'good' machine make.

there goes the saturn and dreamcast!

[Balasubbie]

I agreed with that sentiment. It's just relatively tame otherwise. One or two genres do not a 'good' machine make.

there goes the saturn and dreamcast!

-insert trollface here-

[Hazerd]

I agreed with that sentiment. It's just relatively tame otherwise. One or two genres do not a 'good' machine make.

there goes the saturn and dreamcast!

-insert trollface here-

this whole thread is one big troll!

[PixelPixii]

My favorite system is definitely the Sega Genesis because it was the first one I ever owned.

Do you remember the Tiger Electronics handhelds? Even though I owned a shoebox full of them, they are at the bottom of my list. They were good for wasting an hour or two, but did not have any long term play value. The controls were often too clunky as well. The only thing they had going were the cover art that made them look cooler than they really were but yet everyone kept buying them. Sounds like many complaints about the Xbox 360 doesn't it? Nothing new.

I'm not trolling on the Tiger Handhelds though. I spent many hours playing them because I had nothing else but I remember feeling like there was something missing.

[TornadoCreator]

Action games erm... yeah, we didn't really have any. Playstation had the Syphon Filter series and the Metal Gear Solid series, Saturn had Crusader: No Remorse. Oh and they both had Tomb Raider. What did N64 have.... nothing.

Rogue Squadron, Battle for Naboo, Shadows of the Empire, Jet Force Gemini, Resident Evil 2, Castlevania, Star Fox 64 (Lylat Wars), Sin and Punishment, Tony Hawk 1-3, 1080 Snowboarding, Bomberman, Robotron 64, Blast Corps, etc.

Right, you mention on-rails shooters, puzzle games and sports games here.... look up action, because it doesn't mean what you think it means. Bomberman, Tony Hawk and Star Fox 64 don't count... but you're right they are good games. Saturn Bomberman is better, Tony Hawk games are far smoother on the PSOne and as for Star Fox 64. The PSOne had N2O: Nitrous Oxide, Omega Boost and Nanotek Warrior but the Saturn has them all beat with Titan Wars, a far superior Spaceship Rail-Shooter.

Oh and Castlevania on Nintendo 64... do you really want me to touch on that utter failure?

Oh, how about RPGs, surely Nintendo knows how to do RPGs, it had the RPG king of the SNES (unless you lived in Europe where NONE and I really do mean none of the SNES's famous RPGs where released). Well the N64 has... erm... literally sod all.

Sure it didn't have many RPGs, but it did have Paper Mario, Harvest Moon 64, Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, and Quest 64.

To compare the Final Fantasy series to Harvest Moon and Quest 64 is quite frankly insulting to one of the greatest RPG series ever made. The N64 doesn't have RPGs, not really. I'll make an allowence for Paper Mario, but even still it's cutesy and hardly a serious RPG. As for the Zelda series, I find them thoroughly unimpressive if I'm honest. They where better as top-down hack-n-slash adventure games and trying to make them into a 3D action game didn't really work until twilight princess. Also if you're going to count Zelda as an RPG clearly the concept of story doesn't matter to you as Nintendo have effectively remade the same game over and over with that franchise adding a new gimmick and one new item each time. It's exceptionally simplistic... plus, auto-jumping in Ocarina Of Time is a pain, if you're going to make a game in 3D and include pseudo platforming parts, allow the player to jump at the push of a button not when automatically reaching the designated jump stop (usually the edge of a ledge), it's awkward and removes control. With a little 3D platforming and a jump button, and a slightly more defined story I'd be prepared to consider the Zelda games as high quality entries into the N64's library but I feel both the SNES and Gamecube did the franchise better.

Oh and like I say, except Paper Mario, which is hardly a serious game, no RPGs, not a single one. This is a bad sign in my book as RPGs are routinely the best games on a system.

Ok, so what about racing games. N64 had Mario Kart 64, Diddy Kong Racing, Waverace 64 and F-Zero X, so that's good at least [...]Also both consoles had Wipeout, which was considerably better than F-Zero X and Waverace.

Wipeout 64? Also try the Cruis'n series, the Rush series, Beetle Adventure Racing, Excitebike 64, Star Wars Episode 1 Racer, Hydro Thunder, Extreme-G, etc.

Yeah, there are other games on the PSOne and Saturn too that I didn't mention. The reason I didn't mention things like Extreme-G and Excitebike 64 is because the games I did mention are largely considered better examples of the genre on the N64... that would be like me saying Sonic sucked (which he doesn't but as an example), and someone saying "well have you tried Bubsy"... erm, no thank you.

Seriously though Wipeout 64 was terrible compared to Wipeout on the PSOne/Saturn, it seemed to speed up or slow down like a bad emulator. Sure it lacked load times, but I'd rather have consistant gameplay.

Right, OK. What about FPS games. We can't lose here. The N64 had Perfect Dark, Turok and GoldenEye... surely that's an insta-win... except it's not [...] Well PSOne had Descent Maximum, Medal Of Honor Underground, The World Is Not Enough (basically GoldenEye, but better), Doom (and Final Doom, a harder version of Doom 2) and Quake 2... yeah, it's beaten you down N64. But the Saturn, can that do any better well it's got Forsaken, Hexen, Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, Exhumed and Alien Trilogy

The World is not Enough was released on the n64. How about some more n64 releases: Quake 64, Doom 64, Forsaken, Hexen, Duke Nukem, and Rainbow Six. And Pokemon Snap

Forsaken and Hexen had N64 releases?! When? Holy crap you're right... I honestly can't comment, I didn't even know they existed. Quake 64 and Doom 64 though are known to be poor varients, you couldn't look up or down, there's no multiplayer and you can't even jump (what is it with Nintendo removing the jump button).

So lastly, surely Nintendo of all people can beat it's competitors with platformers. It created Mario... so what do we have. Well there's a shitty butchered version of Rayman 2... and then, Super Mario 64, Donkey Kong 64, Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day.

You must not like 3d platformers much as you just listed off some of the best releases in the genre.

No I didn't, I listed some of the worst... I listed off the 3D platformers that play like an elongated MMO fetch quest. I'm sorry if you disagree, but "collect X number of stars/bananas/musical notes/poo" is not my idea of a good game. Get from A to B using skill, patience and timing in order to avoid obsticles. That's a platformer.

But still, even though I don't like the games, at least it has them right? Sure... except the PSOne has Tomba, Spyro The Dragon, Crash Bandicoot and Ape Escape. As for the Sega Saturn, you've got Croc: Legend Of The Gobbos, Spot Goes To Hollywood, Sonic 3D Blast (the decent version), Gex, Astral and NiGHTS into Dreams... yeah, Nintendo, you've just been handed your arse.

Spyro, Crash Bandicoot, Astal, and NiGHTS are all amazing games, not so much the others you listed. Also try Goemon's Great Adventure, Mystical Ninja, Rocket: Robot on Wheels, Kirby 64, Mischief Makers, and Yoshi's Story. Gex also had an n64 release.

OK, I'll admit there's a couple of games there I've not tried. As for the Gex release on N64, it's much like Hexen, sure it's there but it barely counts. it was out 4 years earlier on the Saturn, so it's practically a retro-port, that's like saying Sonic Adventure is a Gamecube game, it's not it's a Dreamcast game ported over to the Gamecube... badly.

Basically, what I'm getting at with the Nintendo 64 isn't that it's the worst console ever. Hell no, it's got loads of great games. HOWEVER, it's by far the inferior console of it's generation and was quickly made obsolete by the Dreamcast less than 2 years later. The reason I hate it though is it's the most up-talked console I come across. Nintendo fanboys love it more than the NES, SNES, Gamecube and Wii and I just don't see why. All four of those consoles are good. The earlier consoles moreso, but still they're good. The Nintendo 64 however was clearly a runner up console. It did nothing well at all that wasn't done considerably better by either the PSOne or Saturn and if you owned both of those and an SNES there isn't one single game worth getting on the N64 in my opinion.

If you disagree fine, gaming is subjective after all, but I think personally, that the reason the Nintendo 64 is remembered so fondly is that the 6-10 year olds that used to play it when it came out in 1997 are now 20-24 year olds and they're fondly remembering their first real console. Sure some people in their early 20's may have been Playstation or Sega kids, but Nintendo had better marketting for the 6-10 year olds, and since the Playstation had already been out for 2 years it was "out of date". Therefore the kids in this more "gaming = mainstream" world that the Playstation made got the more kid friendly console and developed a strong nostalgic bond to it. But because it wasn't just the geeky kid who played video games now, but most kids, everyone can share that nostalgia, unlike me with my Amiga Computer and Sega Master System nostalgia. This is why so many websites have Super Mario 64, Zelda: Ocarina Of Time, Star Fox 64 and GoldenEye appearing on the "greatest games ever", the internet generation is the same generation that was playing Super Mario 64 when they where 7, or relating to the simplistic storyline of OoT as they move to big school, (I've heard many people claim the game fit's this as an alagory) or even feeling like a badass with GoldenEye because it's James Bond and had guns in it... when you're 10 that's pretty badass, just like Conker is funny when you're 10...

The N64 is nothing more than the memories of childhood, back when you where kids, and you where stupid and liked everything you where given. Let me put it another way, would you be embarrassed to show a future boy/girlfriend your N64 games if they're not a gamer, and explain why they're good, or would you be embarrased by the cuteness, the toilet humour in Conker, the simplicity of the "epic story" in Zelda, and the bland repetative gameplay of Banjo Kazooie... I would. The thing is, I'm not embarrassed to play Crash Bandicoot or Final Fantasy VII on PSOne, or Titan Wars or Aliens Trilogy on the Sega Saturn, and would enjoy explaining why these where great games from my teen-years... but then they don't have a drunk squirrel fighting a creature made of poo in them, so perhaps I already have the advantage there.

[alienjesus]

What is it with new members and hating on everything everyone else loves?

[TornadoCreator]

What is it with new members and hating on everything everyone else loves?

I'm not hating, I'm just being honest...

Like I say, I've no issue with people liking the N64, it's just the fanboys ruined it for me. After all, I LOVE my Dreamcast, but I'm in no illusion that it's the greatest console ever. It was 4th place in last generation for a reason. It lacked the third party support, the processing power and the DVD drive of it's competitor and it became a niché console with only a few good games outside of it's best genres, Arcade games and Fighting games, which it's still the best at even today in my opinion. The PS2 stomped it flat, and hell I love the PS2 too. If an N64 fan would just say, "I have great memories of the console, the games mean a lot to me, and while it was flawed, was effectively the experimental dumping ground for early 3D experiments to die in, and didn't really have any truly amazing games, I still love it because it's a piece of my childhood", I'd have the upmost respect for them, instead they say "herpa derp, Nintendo 64 is the greatest console ever, Super Mario 64 had perfect controls and perfect camera. Ocarina Of Time is the greatest game ever made, with the best story and gameplay ever made, and GoldenEye is the best FPS game, with amazing multiplayer than even makes Call Of Duty look bad today"... this is just plain false.

Still, it's always nice to be the antagonist on the forum, it keeps everyone on the forum from getting boring and gets the conversation heated. I don't want to piss people off, but just as I'll grumble if people bad-mouth the Sega Saturn/Dreamcast (which they will, alot), I expect to cause a grumble or two in turn. Just remember, it's our taste in video games, it's nothing important, it's like arguing over our favourite colour... if we enjoy something and others don't, oh well, but let's have a bit of a chat about it and call eachother horrible names and wish death upon eachother for liking the wrong fluffy mascot.