Whelp, another reason to boycott Capcom.

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Ivo wrote:I keep seeing people assuming that the used game buyer is not giving money to the company. I disagree with that statement but as my posts go long many of you may not have read it.

THEOREM:
Player A buys new for X, sells to Player B for Y. This is equivalent to Player A gave the company X-Y and Player B gave the company Y. Player B IS SUPPORTING THE INDUSTRY (possibly more than Player A). I can't make it any simpler. Industry gets X for the game.

If you disagree with my "theorem" please justify your disagreement so that I can try to convince you. It doesn't matter at what time Player B buys the game - consider it an interest free loan that Player A gave to Player B if you want and you can shift Player B contribution to the initial date of purchase.
What. Industry gets X for the game from A. B gives nothing. There are two scenarios I can imagine where B supports the industry:

1. B purchase the game new
2. B gives A some money Y under the condition that A uses that Y and his own X-Y to purchase the game, and then when A is finished he gives it to B.

Neither is the case here. All the money going to the industry is from A. He had to have all the money available to purchase it in your scenario.
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The used market supports the new. Many people sell off old games so they can buy newer ones. If there's no used market, they will buy fewer new games. And the cheapasses buying the used games would probably buy none at all.
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Hatta wrote:The used market supports the new. Many people sell off old games so they can buy newer ones. If there's no used market, they will buy fewer new games. And the cheapasses buying the used games would probably buy none at all.
I disagree. I think the people buying used would just buy less games. And selling off old games doesn't really give you that much. Gamestop's third party cut is huge. If you really want to fuel a video game habit by selling your old games you should be using something like Craigslist.
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dsheinem wrote:I assume you are deliberately misusing "ironic" here as a way to make a joke? "I could care less" isn't "irony" by any stretch of the imagination.
No, there's no joke. It's only irony if you agree with the school of thought that considers sarcasm a subset of irony.
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MrPopo wrote: What. Industry gets X for the game from A. B gives nothing. There are two scenarios I can imagine where B supports the industry:

1. B purchase the game new
2. B gives A some money Y under the condition that A uses that Y and his own X-Y to purchase the game, and then when A is finished he gives it to B.

Neither is the case here. All the money going to the industry is from A. He had to have all the money available to purchase it in your scenario.
In your point of view you are trying to assign the responsibility to those buying the games used, when the responsibility actually lies on those SELLING used (not that I find it wrong, it is just who is really responsible). Player A - by selling used - is passing on the Y fraction of his support onto Player B, so Player A can no longer claim that he supported the industry with the full X.

If player A pays X, plays the game, and receives Y selling it, I find it pretty hard to see how you can say player A is supporting that publisher with X - the right amount is X-Y.

You are making it more complicated than it is. You don't need to track what Player A does with the money or any other games, and this is a good reason to believe my method to be the correct way to evaluate the situation. Player B is retroactively supporting THAT game, not any other games that Player A buys after. How can anything else make sense consistently across the board?

Your way makes less sense - consider this: player B only plays RPGs and hates shmups. Player A sells an RPG and uses some of the money (Y) to buy a shmup. Your way has Player B support a shmup when Player B hates shmups. My interpretation correctly identifies that Player B supports the RPG retroactively.
Furthermore as money is fungible, it is highly questionably to identify that Player A used the Y money to buy a shmup. What if he used instead the money from Player C (that only plays platformers)? After the respective transactions the money is no longer distinguishable. My point of view also avoids this issue as it only assigns the identity of the money Y to the game player B buys and I forget about it after that.

So Player B supports ONLY the games he himself buys (used) and player A supports only the games he buys (and retroactively only to the difference between his buy and sell prices). I believe you only find this concept strange due to the retroactive nature of the situation, but as I mentioned earlier this only amounts to player A giving player B an interest free "loan" of value Y for the duration that player A has the game until selling (and if the interest free part bothers you, fine, consider it a loan with interest of the calculated amount smaller than Y which, after considering the interest, amounts to Y).

Maybe you will have less trouble identifying it if you instead thinking that player A is actually only renting the game. Player B is the real buyer (assuming player B actually keeps the game, that is). Consider this situation: Player B buys the game for X and rents the game to player A for a while (letting Player A play first) for X-Y. How much is each player contributing? Player A contributes X-Y, and player B contributes Y. It's the same (unsurprisingly).

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Except that the concept of retroactive support is fallacious. Player A selling the game is a bonus. He needs to have the money to buy it up front. My way has player B not supporting, period. If your contention is that someone giving player A money is supporting then industry, then we can consider every single place of employment to be something that supports the industry, and at the same level as player B.
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MrPopo wrote:Except that the concept of retroactive support is fallacious. Player A selling the game is a bonus. He needs to have the money to buy it up front. My way has player B not supporting, period. If your contention is that someone giving player A money is supporting then industry, then we can consider every single place of employment to be something that supports the industry, and at the same level as player B.
The only people supporting that given game are the buyers of THAT specific game. See the example with a player C that I gave to show you that money being fungible makes it senseless to consider anything else. Unless the employment is buying that game, they are not supporting that game. It may help you to think that, for each game, the real buyer is the last person on the chain that keeps it. Everyone else is just renting it (but by renting it they also contribute to the industry).

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MrPopo wrote: If you really want to fuel a video game habit by selling your old games you should be using something like Craigslist.
It's not as easy as you think to sell old games on Craigslist. About 2 years ago, I tried to sell some Wii games (5-6) of them for prices about 15% lower than Ebay on Craigslist. Only one of them sold. I did get a few inquiries but a lot of non-responses. Only Ebay is pretty much a sure thing.
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General_Norris wrote:
dsheinem wrote:I assume you are deliberately misusing "ironic" here as a way to make a joke? "I could care less" isn't "irony" by any stretch of the imagination.
No, there's no joke. It's only irony if you agree with the school of thought that considers sarcasm a subset of irony.
sarcasm a subset of irony? do you know what either of those terms mean?!

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dsheinem wrote:
Don't make me break out that George Carlin quote again...
that bit is so funny, it literally makes me shit my pants!
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