Assholes trying to take down PSN

[YoshiEgg25]

[Inazuma]

I am very disappointed in most of the posts I'm reading in this thread (Niode, you are awesome.)

Sony is a horrible fucking evil and corrupt company that doesn't give a shit about their customers or making quality products. They only care about money and control. If there is a chance that something could be used for piracy, they do everything they can (even if it's immoral), to stop it.

It's one thing to go after people who are pirating software instead of paying for it. But going after someone who hacks their PS3 to run homebrew or do other non piracy things is perfectly OK. Geohot didn't pirate anything. When someone buys a PS3, they own it and should have every right to use it however they want, as long as it isn't used to harm others. Pirating games instead of buying them is wrong, and so is cheating in online games. Outside of these activities, Sony should not be stopping their moral customers from enjoying the machine that they own.

A little bit about me in particular. I never pirated any PS3 games. I never hacked my PS3. Yet, Sony tries to remove the Other OS feature with a firmware update. That's fucking unacceptable. I refused to download it, so now I am unable to access PSN or play new games on my PS3. This is complete bullshit. Sony is accusing me of being a pirate and punishing me for it, even though I did nothing wrong.

How could I choose to support Sony after they pull this shit? You'd have to be either a moron or an asshole to support Sony. I actually care about others and I have morals so there is no fucking way Sony is getting my support for their PS3. I stopped buying PS3 games as soon as this happened and I have lost all interest. Same goes for the NGP. There is no way I'm gonna bother with that thing.

I am proud to say that I boycott Sony. I would be ashamed if someone saw me buying a Sony product. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. You make me sick. I can blame Sony all day for their bullshit but the reason they get away with it is because of spineless selfish idiotic sheep like you who gladly bend over and give it to Sony whenever they decide to fuck us over.

Anonymous has my full support. I've always liked their group and this recent attack on Sony is good to see. It's nice to see someone standing up for consumer rights for once!

Niode, I salute you. (^_^)/

[ZeroAX]

blah blah blah, you want some cheese with that whine? It's not YOUR system. It's sony's. You want to do all that hacker shit? Build your own system, otherwise STFU.

So suddenly, it's people who play by the rules fault that you want to be a rebel? I could care less if sony removes features, i'm not the one having to maintain it. They took backwards compatability out...OH WELL, i plugged in my ps2. Oh those bastards! telling people what to do with thier hardware, the never of sony! after spending million of dollars and countless hours developing THEIR system, how dare they ask some schmuck not to come along and change it to suit HIS needs.

Thing is, when Sony SOLD it to us, it became our system. If you want to sell your rights to a company, go ahead, btw when you get sick good luck dealing with those "nice" life insurance companies, from what I hear they are really good guys and their fine print is one of the most just things in the world.

I always accuse Niode of overreacting about Sony, but I still think he's right here in complaining that Sony had no right to remove a feature. Personally I don't care for it, that's why I didn't ask for my 100€, but bitching about other people demanding their rights? How ignorant must you be?


Can you imagine paying for life insurance for every sickness out there (can't remember the term in English for insurance that covers everything, unless there isn't one) for your entire life, and then an epidemic spreading out, and your insurance company issuing a statement that they are removing insurance coverage for that sickness cause it doesn't suit them financially? Would that be fair? Should we just roll over and die, if we make corporations feel uncomfortable?

[YoshiEgg25]

I'd also like to remind everyone that this isn't the first time Sony's tried to defeat "hackers".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_c ... it_scandal

The Sony BMG CD copy protection scandal concerns the copy protection measures included by Sony BMG on compact discs in 2005. Sony BMG included the Extended Copy Protection (XCP) and MediaMax CD-3 software on music CDs. XCP was put on 52 titles and MediaMax was put on 50 titles. This software was automatically installed on Windows desktop computers when customers tried to play the CDs. The software interferes with the normal way in which the Microsoft Windows operating system plays CDs by installing a rootkit which creates vulnerabilities for other malware to exploit. This was discovered and publicly revealed by Mark Russinovich on the Sysinternals blog. Other operating systems were not affected.

As a result, a number of parties have filed lawsuits against Sony BMG; the company ended up recalling all the affected CDs; and greater public attention was drawn to the issue of commercially-backed spyware and rootkits. Additionally, further investigation revealed that Sony had created its copyright protection software, in part, using LAME code, violating the GNU Lesser General Public License, and VLC code written by Jon Lech Johansen and Sam Hocevar, violating the GNU General Public License.

[ajsracket]

"It's not Sony's system after I paid money for it. Is a Prius still owned by Toyota when you drive it off the forecourt? No. Is a Viera still Panasonic's when you pay for it and take it home? No. Why is PS3 still Sony's when I paid money for it?"

we are not talking about something you may NEED to go to work, if you have a job that is, we are talking about a luxury item.

"They removed backwards compatibility from all machines going forward. They didn't remove BC from earlier machines. That's the point. If you bought the 40GB expecting BC, you are moron because it wasn't a stated feature. Never was. You paid for the features the system contained at the time. Totally different thing altogether"

Then pay for an older system, otherwise plug in your ps2, end of story

I never understand why people like you have to make everything seem so epic, like your on a vision quest to right some evil against society or something. Yawn, heard it before, still don't give a shit. It's a fucking video game system, like i said, you don't like it...buy something else or make your own.

[dsheinem]

Ok, for once my real world expertise applies to a discussion here. Many of you seem pretty clueless about Anon, hackers, hacktivists, cyberterrorists, and the relationship between these different and (mostly) separate groups.

But not all of you are missing the boat. For once in a Sony argument thread I find myself mostly agreeing with Niode. Heh. He's right to point out that:

Let me get this straight. I would not associate myself with that bunch of amateur fucking script kiddies. They are a joke. Anybody can put an IP in LOIC. That is not hacking.

Also, 'cyber-terrorism'. No terror was caused, nobody is going to die. It's more like 'cyber-nuisancing'. The authorities can try as much as they want to trace these numpties but if they weren't absolutely complete fucking retards they'd be behind a bunch of proxies and executing the DDOS attack from SSH anyway.

Anonymous is exactly that. Anybody can claim to be a part of Anon, it's not an exclusive club. Anybody can issue a 'release' and if other Anon (IE every body with an internet connection) decide to roll with it, it sticks and becomes an 'official' anon motion.

Dead on, my man. The only thing I'll nuance here is that current laws in many countries are really fucking loose with what counts as terrorism/suspected terrorism and not. You can thank the legacy of bullshit like the PATRIOT Act for that. I could certainly see a case go forward claiming this is terrorism and that case winning. Look what they did to poor Gary McKinnon. Yeah, he deserved punishment for being an idiot - but treated as a terrorist for trespassing? C'mon! I could see Anon members being prosecuted along similar lines as they are being asshats by threatening people and their families, and they are attacking the "holy" corporations that more or less are given every deference in contemporary law.

You are also right to point out that Anon are a bunch of script-kiddie jerk offs who wouldn't know an interesting hack if it slapped them across the mouth. But those of you who are grouping all hackers into this group are missing the forest for the trees. Even worse are thos of you who see Anon as an example par excellance of hacking for change - they are an example of how to take a legitimate concept and tactic and ruin it for those who wish to do legitimate things (but such is the history of hacking, really). Anyway, Anon are not hacktivists, as much as they might want to be. The best hacktivists are groups like Hacktivismo and the affiliated Cult of the Dead Cow, who have a history of doing real hacking to promote real (important) social change.

Fuck Anonymous and what they have done with the concept of hacktivism by claiming it. They are just as bad as the credit card and telephone line crackers that claimed to be hackers a few decades ago. The term "hacktivist" has been debated and up for grabs for going on 15 years - but the I am leery that the very contestation over the term (and over proper hacktivist ethics) that has traditionally made hacktivst action a viable political tool is being stamped out by Anon. For that their is no forgiveness, in my book.

I will not be held hostage to Sony's whims. Only a fucking moron would accept that.

Goddammit Niode, just when I started to like you in a Sony thread.

Look, no one is being held hostage. You don't like the update? Don't install it. You now have three choices: whine like a mule or boycott and hope for a change, mod your system to reinstall the OS, or buy a new system and leave the old one under an old firmware. The TOS for using the PSN spell it all out, and you don't have to agree to them. I DO get where you are coming from, but just because I DON'T CARE what Sony does with the firmware on the PS3 doesn't make me a "moron." For me it is a video game console and Blu-Ray player, and it isn't worth my caring about firmware changes if I can still use it for those reasons.

I have a lot more going through my head on this but I'll stop for now as this is already long...

[ajsracket]

[quote="Inazuma"]
Sony is a horrible fucking evil and corrupt company that doesn't give a shit about their customers or making quality products. They only care about money and control. I am proud to say that I boycott Sony"

Then why are you screaming like a three year old girl with a stubbed toe? Why do you give a shit if sony is so horrible? Sounds like someone pooped in your soup, you want a ps3 but only on your terms.

I wish sony had the balls to just simply brick EVERY single console that they find anything illegal or homebrew on, that would put a quick stop to this shit, of course that would lead to weeks and months more of cry fests like this thread

[ZeroAX]

we are not talking about something you may NEED to go to work, if you have a job that is, we are talking about a luxury item.

Then pay for an older system, otherwise plug in your ps2, end of story

I never understand why people like you have to make everything seem so epic, like your on a vision quest to right some evil against society or something. Yawn, heard it before, still don't give a shit. It's a fucking video game system, like i said, you don't like it...buy something else or make your own.

So what, when we buy luxury products we suddenly don't have buyer's rights?

What does that second paragraph have anything to do with this thread?

Hope you feel wronged once in life and on one gives a fuck, but everyone gives a fuck when the guy living across the street is wronged. And he bought the PS3 before other OS was removed.

[YoshiEgg25]

I wish sony had the balls to just simply brick EVERY single console that they find anything illegal or homebrew on, that would put a quick stop to this shit, of course that would lead to weeks and months more of cry fests like this thread

If they're bricking consoles purposefully, that's completely illegal.

[brunoafh]

I am proud to say that I boycott Sony. I would be ashamed if someone saw me buying a Sony product.

You don't have much going on in your life, do you?