Assholes trying to take down PSN

[ajsracket]

Everyone is making WAY too big of a deal about this anti sony stuff. All these arguments about wheelchairs and cars are just plain stupid. Youy want to play old school games? Do what everyone else does, don't be a cheap prick, go out and buy it. Cry about your picture on your "shinny new HDTV" all you want, then play it on an old piece of shit tv.

Hackers are cowrds, worthless pieces of shit who need their heads caved in with a bat. 99% of ps3 users couldn't give two shakes of a rats ass about the "other os" option. Everyone I know with a ps3 uses it for games and blu ray movies. I'm probably one of the only people who doesn't have homebrew or emulation on my psp or ps3. I have the originals, and I don't cry about not being able to play bubble bath babes on a 52 inch led 3d hdtv....IF i could afford the nes game someday, i'll play it on my old SD 420i hernia giving if you try to move it tv. If i don't, IT'S JUST A FUCKING VIDEO GAME, my life will go on like celin fucking dion

This hacking / piracy shit won't end until someone has the balls to trace these people via the net, go to their houses, and make examples out of them. So your pissed of at sony, boo fucking hoo. You ever read the fine print? You may "own" the console but you play by their rules. You don't like it, go buy a fucking computer and stop fucking it up for the rest of us who do the right thing, bunch of fucking pansies

[MrPopo]

Now personally at my house I have a cap of data usage of 250 GB a month.

Data cap ?

Yeah, some internet providers impose a data cap, after which they either cut off your internet entirely or drop you down to dial up speeds.

So you embrace the fact that Sony can and will remove features from your devices at will with no repercussions? Here's how backwards your 'it didn't affect the average user so it's not worth worrying about' argument is. I sell you a car with a CD player in it, then decide 3 months down the line that I think you might be using that CD player to play pirated CDs on it. I then come into your house, take your keys and state "you can have the CD player but you can't drive the car, if I take the CD player out, you can have the keys back". You'd tell me to GTFO and call the police. Now that hasn't affected the average road user one iota. Just you. So if we were to 'not make a huge deal out of it' then neither should the police or the courts when you report me to the police... You wouldn't stand for it. Why should we stand for it when Sony do the exact same thing to us? Just because Sony can do this to you without entering your house doesn't mean it's any less illegal.

Except that your parallel is completely wrong. You're comparing physical devices with software features. You purchased a PS3, not the individual software features of the OS.

And as I've said before, no one is forcing you to update your PS3 if you want to keep that feature. If you don't you have the following repercussions: you cannot get on the PSN and you cannot play the latest games. Now unless you're going to argue that Sony should not be allowed to ban people from the PSN then it's ok you can't get on the PSN if you don't do what Sony wants; it's their service. Not being able to play the latest games isn't really any different than the fact that I can't run Mechwarrior 4 on Windows 3.1. You need an OS that's compatible with the game. And there's a lot of features of Windows 3.1 that don't exist in Windows 7. Does that mean that Microsoft is bad for removing them?

[Niode]

Everyone is making WAY too big of a deal about this anti sony stuff. All these arguments about wheelchairs and cars are just plain stupid. Youy want to play old school games? Do what everyone else does, don't be a cheap prick, go out and buy it. Cry about your picture on your "shinny new HDTV" all you want, then play it on an old piece of shit tv.

Hackers are cowrds, worthless pieces of shit who need their heads caved in with a bat. 99% of ps3 users couldn't give two shakes of a rats ass about the "other os" option. Everyone I know with a ps3 uses it for games and blu ray movies. I'm probably one of the only people who doesn't have homebrew or emulation on my psp or ps3. I have the originals, and I don't cry about not being able to play bubble bath babes on a 52 inch led 3d hdtv....IF i could afford the nes game someday, i'll play it on my old SD 420i hernia giving if you try to move it tv. If i don't, IT'S JUST A FUCKING VIDEO GAME, my life will go on like celin fucking dion

This hacking / piracy shit won't end until someone has the balls to trace these people via the net, go to their houses, and make examples out of them. So your pissed of at sony, boo fucking hoo. You ever read the fine print? You may "own" the console but you play by their rules. You don't like it, go buy a fucking computer and stop fucking it up for the rest of us who do the right thing, bunch of fucking pansies

QQ cry some more.

Those hackers are the people giving legitimate customers more ways to use their hardware in ways the manufacturer never intended. Those hackers are the people who push boundaries of security and make devices more secure in the future. Not less. If you can't see the value hackers have then you are short sighted bordering on moronic.

That fine print is exactly what I'm talking about. So you want everything in your house governed by a fucking EULA? Using your photocopier to copy books? The manufacturer just decided that's against the EULA forces you to download a firmware update that stops you doing it. Tough shit. It's in the EULA. iPod stops playing MP3 files because they can be copied easily, forces you to use a proprietary format with a mandatory update otherwise you can't sync your device to your system. Tough shit. It's in the EULA. Oh wait... Apple got sued to fucking high heaven for trying that in the EU... You seriously want to live your life abiding by every single fucking piece of fine print in the EULA? You must be fucking insane. The issue here is NOT what they removed. It's about their right as a company to be able to do it, no questions asked. I am sick of stating this fucking point over and over. YOUR hardware is YOUR hardware, if I want to put Linux on it, I fucking will do, I don't want Sony disabling features from my system because I chose to use it in a way Sony no longer deems 'suitable'. I do not give a fuck what an EULA says. EULAs ARE NOT LAW.

The 'it doesn't effect me so why should it bother anybody else' opinion is close minded and dumb. Your apathy is what causes this shit to happen in the first place. If we don't stand up for our rights then companies will piss all over us. It just baffles me how people just bend over and yell "FUCK ME AGAIN. I LOVE IT!".

@Mr Popo. The only problem with your argument is that there isn't a suitable parallel in the software world to use an example. I'm simply using laymans terms to get my point across. Why should I accept that I can't play the latest software if I want to keep features I paid for? Because Sony said so? No. I honestly can't understand the logic of anyone who does not agree with me on this point. You're fucked if you don't update, you're fucked if you do. It's a Lose/Lose situation. How can you see that as acceptable? It just completely baffles me.

[ajsracket]

QQ cry some more.

Those hackers are the people giving legitimate customers more ways to use their hardware in ways the manufacturer never intended. Those hackers are the people who push boundaries of security and make devices more secure in the future. Not less. If you can't see the value hackers have then you are short sighted bordering on moronic.

That fine print is exactly what I'm talking about. So you want everything in your house governed by a fucking EULA? Using your photocopier to copy books? The manufacturer just decided that's against the EULA forces you to download a firmware update that stops you doing it. Tough shit. It's in the EULA. iPod stops playing MP3 files because they can be copied easily, forces you to use a proprietary format with a mandatory update otherwise you can't sync your device to your system. Tough shit. It's in the EULA. Oh wait... Apple got sued to fucking high heaven for trying that in the EU... You seriously want to live your life abiding by every single fucking piece of fine print in the EULA? You must be fucking insane. The issue here is NOT what they removed. It's about their right as a company to be able to do it, no questions asked. I am sick of stating this fucking point over and over. YOUR hardware is YOUR hardware, if I want to put Linux on it, I fucking will do, I don't want Sony disabling features from my system because I chose to use it in a way Sony no longer deems 'suitable'. I do not give a fuck what an EULA says. EULAs ARE NOT LAW.

The 'it doesn't effect me so why should it bother anybody else' opinion is close minded and dumb. Your apathy is what causes this shit to happen in the first place. If we don't stand up for our rights then companies will piss all over us. It just baffles me how people just bend over and yell "FUCK ME AGAIN. I LOVE IT!".

@Mr Popo. The only problem with your argument is that there isn't a suitable parallel in the software world to use an example. I'm simply using laymans terms to get my point across. Why should I accept that I can't play the latest software if I want to keep features I paid for? Because Sony said so? No. I honestly can't understand the logic of anyone who does not agree with me on this point. You're fucked if you don't update, you're fucked if you do. It's a Lose/Lose situation. How can you see that as acceptable? It just completely baffles me.[/quote]

blah blah blah, you want some cheese with that whine? It's not YOUR system. It's sony's. You want to do all that hacker shit? Build your own system, otherwise STFU.

So suddenly, it's people who play by the rules fault that you want to be a rebel? I could care less if sony removes features, i'm not the one having to maintain it. They took backwards compatability out...OH WELL, i plugged in my ps2. Oh those bastards! telling people what to do with thier hardware, the never of sony! after spending million of dollars and countless hours developing THEIR system, how dare they ask some schmuck not to come along and change it to suit HIS needs.

Hackers lead to good? I'll buy that for a dollar. I'm a "legitamite consumer" and they don't do a fucking thing for me except disrupt my free time and make my games cost more by piracy and fucking with companies. You don't like sony...buy a fucking xbox.

kleenex...try it

[ajsracket]

QQ cry some more.

Those hackers are the people giving legitimate customers more ways to use their hardware in ways the manufacturer never intended. Those hackers are the people who push boundaries of security and make devices more secure in the future. Not less. If you can't see the value hackers have then you are short sighted bordering on moronic.

That fine print is exactly what I'm talking about. So you want everything in your house governed by a fucking EULA? Using your photocopier to copy books? The manufacturer just decided that's against the EULA forces you to download a firmware update that stops you doing it. Tough shit. It's in the EULA. iPod stops playing MP3 files because they can be copied easily, forces you to use a proprietary format with a mandatory update otherwise you can't sync your device to your system. Tough shit. It's in the EULA. Oh wait... Apple got sued to fucking high heaven for trying that in the EU... You seriously want to live your life abiding by every single fucking piece of fine print in the EULA? You must be fucking insane. The issue here is NOT what they removed. It's about their right as a company to be able to do it, no questions asked. I am sick of stating this fucking point over and over. YOUR hardware is YOUR hardware, if I want to put Linux on it, I fucking will do, I don't want Sony disabling features from my system because I chose to use it in a way Sony no longer deems 'suitable'. I do not give a fuck what an EULA says. EULAs ARE NOT LAW.

The 'it doesn't effect me so why should it bother anybody else' opinion is close minded and dumb. Your apathy is what causes this shit to happen in the first place. If we don't stand up for our rights then companies will piss all over us. It just baffles me how people just bend over and yell "FUCK ME AGAIN. I LOVE IT!".

@Mr Popo. The only problem with your argument is that there isn't a suitable parallel in the software world to use an example. I'm simply using laymans terms to get my point across. Why should I accept that I can't play the latest software if I want to keep features I paid for? Because Sony said so? No. I honestly can't understand the logic of anyone who does not agree with me on this point. You're fucked if you don't update, you're fucked if you do. It's a Lose/Lose situation. How can you see that as acceptable? It just completely baffles me.[/quote]

blah blah blah, you want some cheese with that whine? It's not YOUR system. It's sony's. You want to do all that hacker shit? Build your own system, otherwise STFU.

So suddenly, it's people who play by the rules fault that you want to be a rebel? I could care less if sony removes features, i'm not the one having to maintain it. They took backwards compatability out...OH WELL, i plugged in my ps2. Oh those bastards! telling people what to do with thier hardware, the never of sony! after spending million of dollars and countless hours developing THEIR system, how dare they ask some schmuck not to come along and change it to suit HIS needs.

Hackers lead to good? I'll buy that for a dollar. I'm a "legitamite consumer" and they don't do a fucking thing for me except disrupt my free time and make my games cost more by piracy and fucking with companies. You don't like sony...buy a fucking xbox.

kleenex...try it

[Opa Opa]

Easy guys...

[Rurouni_Fencer]

Everyone is making WAY too big of a deal about this anti sony stuff. All these arguments about wheelchairs and cars are just plain stupid. Youy want to play old school games? Do what everyone else does, don't be a cheap prick, go out and buy it. Cry about your picture on your "shinny new HDTV" all you want, then play it on an old piece of shit tv.

Hackers are cowrds, worthless pieces of shit who need their heads caved in with a bat. 99% of ps3 users couldn't give two shakes of a rats ass about the "other os" option. Everyone I know with a ps3 uses it for games and blu ray movies. I'm probably one of the only people who doesn't have homebrew or emulation on my psp or ps3. I have the originals, and I don't cry about not being able to play bubble bath babes on a 52 inch led 3d hdtv....IF i could afford the nes game someday, i'll play it on my old SD 420i hernia giving if you try to move it tv. If i don't, IT'S JUST A FUCKING VIDEO GAME, my life will go on like celin fucking dion

This hacking / piracy shit won't end until someone has the balls to trace these people via the net, go to their houses, and make examples out of them. So your pissed of at sony, boo fucking hoo. You ever read the fine print? You may "own" the console but you play by their rules. You don't like it, go buy a fucking computer and stop fucking it up for the rest of us who do the right thing, bunch of fucking pansies

The 'it doesn't effect me so why should it bother anybody else' opinion is close minded and dumb.

This all the way! If you're content with how you use your bought and paid for merchandise, then awesome - enjoy it how you want to! But don't come down on us who look past the fence and admire the greener grass!

@ajsracket:
Also, did it ever occur to you that Sony doesn't want these 'other OS' because it opens up the ability for aspiring hackers to code applications and original games at home, in the comfort of their mother's basement, and release their software to you and I for FREE? But because Sony can't make a profit off of this, they deem it "illegal and against their terms of service". BULLSHIT!
You say, "99% of ps3 users couldn't give two shakes of a rats ass about the "other os" option." If you did your homework and did the research, (or even just utilized just a tad bit of common sense,) you'll see that it's obviously a hell of a lot more than just 1%. Otherwise this wouldn't be a big deal - people wouldn't find the controversy in Sony's betrayal of basic consumer rights, (as Niode has exhaustively pointed out in numerous threads,) douche-bag hacktivists like Anonymous (who you really should direct your beef with, not the indie-programmers you label as hackers) wouldn't throw hissy-fit tantrums and crash PSN servers thereby pissing on everybody's parade, and owners of unhacked-PS3's, like yourself, wouldn't be caught in a crossfire and spewing illogical, uneducated, and unwarranted hate upon people that are just trying to get their money's worth out of their rightfully purchased hardware. Sheesh!

[Niode]

QQ cry some more.

Those hackers are the people giving legitimate customers more ways to use their hardware in ways the manufacturer never intended. Those hackers are the people who push boundaries of security and make devices more secure in the future. Not less. If you can't see the value hackers have then you are short sighted bordering on moronic.

That fine print is exactly what I'm talking about. So you want everything in your house governed by a fucking EULA? Using your photocopier to copy books? The manufacturer just decided that's against the EULA forces you to download a firmware update that stops you doing it. Tough shit. It's in the EULA. iPod stops playing MP3 files because they can be copied easily, forces you to use a proprietary format with a mandatory update otherwise you can't sync your device to your system. Tough shit. It's in the EULA. Oh wait... Apple got sued to fucking high heaven for trying that in the EU... You seriously want to live your life abiding by every single fucking piece of fine print in the EULA? You must be fucking insane. The issue here is NOT what they removed. It's about their right as a company to be able to do it, no questions asked. I am sick of stating this fucking point over and over. YOUR hardware is YOUR hardware, if I want to put Linux on it, I fucking will do, I don't want Sony disabling features from my system because I chose to use it in a way Sony no longer deems 'suitable'. I do not give a fuck what an EULA says. EULAs ARE NOT LAW.

The 'it doesn't effect me so why should it bother anybody else' opinion is close minded and dumb. Your apathy is what causes this shit to happen in the first place. If we don't stand up for our rights then companies will piss all over us. It just baffles me how people just bend over and yell "FUCK ME AGAIN. I LOVE IT!".

@Mr Popo. The only problem with your argument is that there isn't a suitable parallel in the software world to use an example. I'm simply using laymans terms to get my point across. Why should I accept that I can't play the latest software if I want to keep features I paid for? Because Sony said so? No. I honestly can't understand the logic of anyone who does not agree with me on this point. You're fucked if you don't update, you're fucked if you do. It's a Lose/Lose situation. How can you see that as acceptable? It just completely baffles me.

blah blah blah, you want some cheese with that whine? It's not YOUR system. It's sony's. You want to do all that hacker shit? Build your own system, otherwise STFU.

So suddenly, it's people who play by the rules fault that you want to be a rebel? I could care less if sony removes features, i'm not the one having to maintain it. They took backwards compatability out...OH WELL, i plugged in my ps2. Oh those bastards! telling people what to do with thier hardware, the never of sony! after spending million of dollars and countless hours developing THEIR system, how dare they ask some schmuck not to come along and change it to suit HIS needs.

Hackers lead to good? I'll buy that for a dollar. I'm a "legitamite consumer" and they don't do a fucking thing for me except disrupt my free time and make my games cost more by piracy and fucking with companies. You don't like sony...buy a fucking xbox.

kleenex...try it

So so flawed on so many levels.

It's not Sony's system after I paid money for it. Is a Prius still owned by Toyota when you drive it off the forecourt? No. Is a Viera still Panasonic's when you pay for it and take it home? No. Why is PS3 still Sony's when I paid money for it?

They removed backwards compatibility from all machines going forward. They didn't remove BC from earlier machines. That's the point. If you bought the 40GB expecting BC, you are moron because it wasn't a stated feature. Never was. You paid for the features the system contained at the time. Totally different thing altogether.

Hackers do lead to good, they improve the security of devices by pointing out flaws, if there wasn't hackers out there to do that then your equipment would be at the mercy of less scrupulous people.

Piracy has never increased the price of games. In fact games are the cheapest they've ever been, inflation considered, despite piracy being at an all time high.

I already have an Xbox 360, read my signature.

Also, it's 'Couldn't care less', 'could care less' implies that you actually do care. (I coloured it in blue for you, just in case you can't see where you made the mistake because of all the crying)

[brunoafh]

It's not Sony's system after I paid money for it.

That's not quite the point. It's Sony's online service that's in question.

[Rurouni_Fencer]

It's not YOUR system. It's sony's.

Also, this is just frickin hilarious.. They SELL PS3s to consumers, not lease them. Get the facts straight.