N64 control stick: Analog or Digital?

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Jamisonia wrote:I was hoping maybe you guys could clear something up for me. I was always under the impression the Nintendo made popular the self centering analog thumbstick. However a thread on another forum has one poster arguing that the stick was in fact digital in nature, but with enough points that it simulated an analog feel. He cited this article from 1up http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.off ... Id=3143627 and the wikipedia article on the N64 controller http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_64_controller.

So can anyone shed light on this subject. Was Sony or Sega then in fact the ones who popularized the self centering analog thumbstick?
I always though the N64 had pots inside. But even with the sensor light emitters, still an analog type of feed in a sense. I think the determining factor is how the GAMEPLAY is affected by the controller. Not just on or off, but a control of walk to run or speed of camera movement depending on how far the stick is pushed.

I love playing CHOPLIFTER on the Apple II+ vs other computer digital versions of the era. The analog control of keeping that helo afloat added to the game play. Luckily the 5200 got a release, along with GORF exploiting the Analog function. I wrote on this in my Unique Controls in games.

So when did analog sticks become a big hit? One of the first was the pre-Arcade Space War with the Dual Sticks controlling Y and X movements or Apple II+, both just a niche to the owners. As for consoles, Vectrex and the Atari 5200, both came out earlier but maybe flopped because of non centering sticks? Perhaps most of the 2D games were made for digital control? I lean towards the N64 when the first 3D games such as Mario 64 came out.

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http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/jo ... /printable
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Jamisonia wrote:I feel like if the distinction is moot then the Wikipedia article I posted should either be changed to address why the distinction is moot or the reference that they are not analog should be erased.
Bah, what do you expect? Some journalist makes a silly statement based upon something he doesn't really understand. It gets published and is then a citable source for highly misleading claims.
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I changed the article, and cited that HowStuffWorks article you posted CRTGamer. I read the discussion and it seems people on Wikipedia decided themselves that the way the joystick works does not qualify as analog because it uses a gear that interrupts a pulse of light from and LED to determine position, instead of pot. The poster goes one to say there are as many positions as there are "atoms in the stick mechanism" which in my opinion makes it analog.
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Wikipedia. :roll:
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Jamisonia wrote:I read the discussion and it seems people on Wikipedia decided themselves that the way the joystick works does not qualify as analog because it uses a gear that interrupts a pulse of light from and LED to determine position, instead of pot.
Aren't gears an analog technology? :?
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flamepanther wrote:
Jamisonia wrote:I read the discussion and it seems people on Wikipedia decided themselves that the way the joystick works does not qualify as analog because it uses a gear that interrupts a pulse of light from and LED to determine position, instead of pot.
Aren't gears an analog technology? :?

apparently wikipedia doesn't think so because it already changed back, with an explanation of why I am wrong.
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Jamisonia wrote: apparently wikipedia doesn't think so because it already changed back, with an explanation of why I am wrong.
Yeah, some guy thinks he's being smart. It's probably not worth the trouble to try to explain why the optical sensor they keep harping on is a non-distinction.
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Jamisonia wrote:I changed the article, and cited that HowStuffWorks article you posted CRTGamer. I read the discussion and it seems people on Wikipedia decided themselves that the way the joystick works does not qualify as analog because it uses a gear that interrupts a pulse of light from and LED to determine position, instead of pot. The poster goes one to say there are as many positions as there are "atoms in the stick mechanism" which in my opinion makes it analog.
I just added this, we'll see if it stays.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_6 ... alog_stick

The N64 Analog stick does not use analog potentiometers. It uses light emitting sensor diodes and sensor wheels which give a more accurate direct digital read. However gameplay function itself is true analog, the more the stick is pushed the faster a game character would walk to run. [6]
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CRTGAMER wrote:I just added this, we'll see if it stays.
I'm actually not very happy with that addition. This thread isn't exactly a reliable source, and we haven't made any attempt to be civil about the issue-- or at least I haven't. I'm not comfortable with this.
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