Kirby: Nintendo's Swan Songs

[YoshiEgg25]

That is if you don't count a sidescrolling action platformer Kirby game as a real installment in the main series of action platforming games starring said titular character.......

By those standards, Super Paper Mario is a standard installment in the Super Mario Bros. series. Similar standards would make Bomberman Zero and Street Figher: The Movie: The Game count as regular installments in their respective series.

How the hell is Epic Yarn not a standard Kirby game?

Because the game mechanics, cast, and presentation are all markedly and fundamentally not what is standard for the series?

1. The Paper Mario series aren't platformers, they're RPGs.
2. Bomberman Zero and Street Fighter: The Movie suck, so we just pretend they don't exist.

[flamepanther]

Standard for the series. Standard sounds boring and not really innovative if you ask me. Hows a series supposed to evolve if theres always a standard way to make it?

That's a good question, but not the one I was being asked. I didn't say that Epic Yarn not being standard was a bad thing--you can go check if you want. I simply said that is wasn't, and people asked me why.

In all fairness, there hasn't been that many "standard" releases this console generation. You gave Super Paper Mario as a example. Pretty much every Mario game released this console generation hasn't been a standard release.

Besides New SMB and New SMB Wii?

1. The Paper Mario series aren't platformers, they're RPGs.

Yes, but SUPER Paper Mario, the game I specifically mentioned, is a platformer. It is also still sort of an RPG. This makes it non-standard for both the Super Mario Bros lineage and the Paper Mario series!

2. Bomberman Zero and Street Fighter: The Movie suck, so we just pretend they don't exist.

Yes, and as such, we don't consider them standard to their series, do we?

That's not really why though. The reason we disown them is because they differed from our expectations, but in a bad way. Differing is what makes something not standard, whether it's good or bad. Epic Yarn is different, so it's not standard, even though it's awesome!

[AppleQueso]

Standard for the series. Standard sounds boring and not really innovative if you ask me. Hows a series supposed to evolve if theres always a standard way to make it? In all fairness, there hasn't been that many "standard" releases this console generation. You gave Super Paper Mario as a example. Pretty much every Mario game released this console generation hasn't been a standard release.

It's not like the classic core formula of sucking shit up to steal their powers has stagnated or something, I think there's actually still a lot of ground to cover with it. Nintendo's kinda always shaked up Kirby though, I mean his first game didn't even have the copy ability, so I guess it's not really THAT far from the core concept.

Nintendo seems pretty adamantly against shaking up Zelda's standard formula any though, probably their one franchise that could really use it.

[flamepanther]

Nintendo seems pretty adamantly against shaking up Zelda's standard formula any though, probably their one franchise that could really use it.

What, trains weren't enough for ya?

[GSZX1337]

Nintendo seems pretty adamantly against shaking up Zelda's standard formula any though, probably their one franchise that could really use it.

What, trains weren't enough for ya?

No, it needs planes and automobiles, too.

[k.vlaros]

There is a new Kirby coming for the DS that will likely be one of the last DS games of note. See this video at 3:00 if you haven't seen a glimpse of this one yet.

[AppleQueso]

Nintendo seems pretty adamantly against shaking up Zelda's standard formula any though, probably their one franchise that could really use it.

What, trains weren't enough for ya?

I WANT STEMPVNK!!111oneone

no but really I don't think the basic overworld-dungeon-overworld-dungeon-repeat formula could use some new twists, ya know?

[flamepanther]

no but really I don't think the basic overworld-dungeon-overworld-dungeon-repeat formula could use some new twists, ya know?

That's the one aspect I would insist that they leave alone. The only twist I want to see there is going back to having at least eight dungeons. Other than that, they can put him in space and give him a laser sword for all I care.

[CFFJR]

no but really I don't think the basic overworld-dungeon-overworld-dungeon-repeat formula could use some new twists, ya know?

Supposedly they're doing that for Skyward Sword.

Obviously not much has been shown, but in interviews they've talked about blurring the line between dungeon and overworld, to where the player will encounter dungeon elements, those being puzzles, bosses, and important items, out in the overworld.

I'm excited for it honestly. Making the Zelda world a bit more seamless that way sounds awesome to me.

I think it'll allow them to be even more creative with dungeons in general. I for one absolutely loved the dungeons in Twilight Princess, and if they give me more of that and then some for Skyward Sword, it'll be awesome.

[EllertMichael]

I don't think Epic Yarn counts, as it's not a standard Kirby game. Kirby's Avalanche and Kirby's Dream Course certainly didn't spell doom for the SNES. Also, Gamecube ended with a Zelda game.

How the hell is Epic Yarn not a standard Kirby game?

When it was being developed it wasn't even originally a Kirby game:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/1 ... sks_kirby/

Epic Yarn is fun, but it's certainly not a standard Kirby game. They just slapped him in there. It could have easily been a Mario game, for example. My poor pink friend keeps getting fucked over...

Or is Kirby going to get another title released(Dreamland 4?) then put a book end to the wii?

Dreamland 4. I like that idea.
Even a Dreamland compilation would be excellent.