Sony removing OtherOS feature in 3.21 PS3 update

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Re: Sony removing OtherOS feature in 3.21 PS3 update

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Niode wrote:
EvilRyu2099 wrote:
Mod_Man_Extreme wrote: This is at the dev's discretion,
Haha even worse...
It's Sony who put this in. It wasn't there before. It's been added since 3.30, it just wasn't useable by devs. Yes they can choose not to use it, but why would they? The fact is, Sony are the enabler here, it's not that devs suddenly had a change of heart. They couldn't region lock before, now they can. Just means more bad news to pile on top of bad news for Sony customers. I'm just glad I have absolutely no need to give Sony my money anymore. Seriously, do Sony want customers or just blind retarded fanboys? You'd have to be the latter to put up with this kind of crap.

Besides the PS3 scene will enable multi region games anyway. It's only a matter of time.
Ok Niode, let's say you were the maker of a video game console.

Now let's say a huge chunk of your supporting third parties threatened to leave unless you provided them with region locking of some sort.

Would you:

A:) Ignore them and risk loosing everything.

B:) Get off your ass and give them the option, but make sure it's at least not mandatory.

I know you're biased against Sony for only God knows why, but get the heck over it already. You do nothing but bash the company at every opportunity for pointless problems that either aren't their fault or because they're protecting their intellectual property.

Oh boo-hoo Mr. "I can't use PS3 Linux", "they've disabled my USB modchips", "They're region locking games I'll most likely never import". The fact of the matter is this most of this stuff will never affect the general consumer or even the hardcore gamer such as us to a pretty decent extent. I can still buy my PS3 games at work and bring them home to play no freaking problem. Not to mention all my USB controllers flash drives and other accessories still work.

If you're gonna complain get a real reason. Don't keep harping on about some re-hashed old topic nobody truly cares about anymore as an excuse to either pirate on consoles or modify them for "backups". Are you a legit user? Yes. But 90% of the dicks that read the PS3 modding sites are douchebags who only want free games; of course Sony's gonna protect their intellectual property and that of their third parties when they start asking.

Oh, it's gonna have region lock at the dev's discretion? Well then better get to mailing and talking with the devs you like so that they see you're going to be interested in their product.

Still, as of right now this is only a rumor. A shittily written one at that, laden with typos and crummy blurry pictures of an LCD screen. For all you know that's just a photo of some photoshopped jpeg on a computer monitor.

In other words, calm down, get over yourself and stop being what in the end amounts to a fanboy.

When 360's always broke and everything from accessories to discs had problems did we have a legitimate excuse to bash Microsoft's hardware for fun? Yes.

Now that they've gotten their act mostly together and the slims seem to have finally solved everything? No.

(The software on the 360 (FPS laden as it may be) is still a fantastic lineup of stuff both in online and retail settings & was never an issue.)

Did we have an excuse to bash Sony when the PS3's were overpriced and we had the game lineup form hell for a bit? Yes.

Now that the slims are out and significantly cheaper, not to mention smaller and quieter? No.

Yes both consoles have had their breakdowns, but Microsoft's is thanks to shitty R&D. They ate that 3 billion dollars on red ring repair HARD and took a ton of shit in the public eye because of it. Sony's oldest PS3's that are slowly starting to YLOD a bit more frequently only failed just now because they were built much more soundly than the hot glue and paperclips that is the original model 360's.

The killer factor for both consoles? Lead-Free solder and the environmental movement. The fact still remains that at the time both of these consoles were in development lead solder was still acceptable in consumer products as the current ROHS restrictions had yet to be globally implemented. Nobody had worked with lead-free solder in that kind of ultra new tech or level of mass production yet. Therefore one had a miserable failure rate whereas another simply needs a servicing every 3-5 years to keep running.

Yeah it's a crappy situation either way you look at it for the original models of these consoles, but that's why both companies have taken what they've learned and released newer form factors which do away with the previous issues.
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Fuel for the fire. Posted for non head explode rational debate. :D

Oh, the arrogance of a company. Sales so great, no longer care?
Why buy a game, knowing a feature would be anytime disabled?
Remember the recent Outrun Ferrari license game drop.

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CRTGAMER wrote:A Pic of a newer Move game below. The part of interest reads:

SCEA reserves the right to retire the online portion of this game at anytime.

Older games had a 90 day window, looks like a recent change to allow an anytime Sony decides cancel. Already known that online support would eventually go away for any game. Wild guess of timeframe for your download DRM-DLC games support. In the future will game companies do an Amazon Kindle remote delete games strategy?
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CRTGAMER wrote:Fuel for the fire. Posted for non head explode rational debate. :D

Oh, the arrogance of a company. Sales so great, no longer care?
Why buy a game, knowing a feature would be anytime disabled?
Remember the recent Outrun Ferrari license game drop.

From my History of Copy Protection and the DRM Future of Gaming
CRTGAMER wrote:A Pic of a newer Move game below. The part of interest reads:

SCEA reserves the right to retire the online portion of this game at anytime.

Older games had a 90 day window, looks like a recent change to allow an anytime Sony decides cancel. Already known that online support would eventually go away for any game. Wild guess of timeframe for your download DRM-DLC games support. In the future will game companies do an Amazon Kindle remote delete games strategy?
That 90 day window is still there. Those are third party games that are mandated 90 days.

The game's box you scanned is a game manufactured and developed primarily by SCEA and a second party Sony owned developer so therefore it's Sony's decision when they want to terminate the ONLINE PLAY for the game.

This isn't for DLC or Download support, this is for online gameplay support which has always been a wild "who knows when experience will end?" thing on both the 360 and the PS3.

Also, I don't know how many more times I'm gonna have to tell you, but the outrun license drop does not mean that people can't re-download their purchased copies. In fact people who purchased any PSN game that's been taken down by a developer or publisher can still download it if they paid for it. This just means that they're not selling any more of them to new customers because they can't.

Sony doesn't own Sega, Sony doesn't own Ferrari and Sony doesn't own anything not made by SCEA or one of the other SCE worldwide branches. Third parties buy a slot on the store for an item and stick it up for sale. If circumstances arise they have to remove said item. NONE of the games are hosted on Sony servers aside from SONY MADE GAMES. Sega's games are on Sega's servers, THQ's on THQ's Servers, EA on EA's servers, etc.., etc...

Truly learn your facts, read the freaking fine print and stop spouting half researched quips taken out of context on the DLC and DRM stuff. It's getting very old very fast.
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Mod_Man_Extreme wrote:
I know you're biased against Sony for only God knows why, but get the heck over it already. You do nothing but bash the company at every opportunity for pointless problems that either aren't their fault or because they're protecting their intellectual property.
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Thank god I'm not the only one who notices this... A lot of what he says doesn't hold much water and it's obvious he has a bias against the company rather than posting something legit against it..
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What is with all the personal attacks?
Counter point discussion great, no reason for the hostility though.
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CRTGAMER wrote:What is with all the personal attacks?
Counter point discussion great, no reason for the hostility though.
The only personal attacks I saw in the thread is Niode referring to people who use Sony as "blind retarded fanboys".. I personally would expect more from a moderator on this site..
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EvilRyu2099 wrote:
CRTGAMER wrote:What is with all the personal attacks?
Counter point discussion great, no reason for the hostility though.
The only personal attacks I saw in the thread is Niode referring to people who use Sony as "blind retarded fanboys".. I personally would expect more from a moderator on this site..
Okay maybe a bit harsh, but it is to the point. I'm hinting that too in my thread, concerning how people will continue to purchase even though for example a game states "SCEA reserves the right to retire the online portion of this game at anytime." I own Sony too, but the current state of the market from ALL gaming companies is really going the wrong way for the consumer.

In the interim, I didn't scan the pic above, but snapped it with a digital camera at Costco. I wouldn't waste my money on anything like that disclaimer, unfortunately a lot of customers will "blindy" purchase.
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CRTGAMER wrote:Okay maybe a bit harsh, but it is to the point. I'm hinting that too in my thread, concerning how people will continue to purchase even though for example the package has "Retire the online portion of this game at anytime." I own Sony too, but the current state of the market from ALL gaming companies is really going the wrong way for the consumer.
No I agree with that notion... All the gaming companies are going down to the toilet... It seems like Nintendo is the best way to go now, and even they are tyrants in their own way... I just hope they finally make an HD console..
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EvilRyu2099 wrote:It seems like Nintendo is the best way to go now, and even they are tyrants in their own way... I just hope they finally make an HD console..
Oh, they will. It's just that things that "real" gamers think is necessary, Nintendo is a generation or two behind. This includes disks, full size disks, dual sticks, and CD/DVD playback.
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Mod_Man_Extreme wrote:
Also, I don't know how many more times I'm gonna have to tell you, but the outrun license drop does not mean that people can't re-download their purchased copies. In fact people who purchased any PSN game that's been taken down by a developer or publisher can still download it if they paid for it. This just means that they're not selling any more of them to new customers because they can't.

To be fair, it's my fault the entire forum thinks you can't download stuff that has been taken off the store. When I tried to re-download outrun, when I heard about the game being taken off the store, an error occurred. I tried downloading the item right on top of it (prince of persia classic) and since it worked, I thought that Outrun had been taken off the servers.

Should have tried once more :(
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