D.D.D. wrote:No. No Mario Party either thanks. Not that it sucks its just not what I want to play. Monopoly is where its at.
Hehe. The point is, Sega's demise had nothing to do with failing to cash in on casual games.
I think the Dreamcast's biggest failure was marketing. To this day, I still show Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 to people who didn't know they existed. These aren't non-gamers. They're all people who own PS2s and XBOX 360s, but aren't hard core enough to spend their time reading EGM or following Kotaku. That was the audience that needed to know there were awesome 3D Sonic games, and Sega completely failed to reach them
Absolutely. I remember when the Gamecube and Xbox first came out, quite a few of my mates picked up Gamecubes, and a lot also got Sonic Adventure 2 with it. None of them seemed to know that it was originally released on the Dreamcast a year or two prior to the Gamecube. They thought it was a brand new Sonic game made specifically for the Cube.
The same happened to when Shenmue 2 came out for the Xbox. I remember having an argument with a mate at school back when that came out about how it would just be the same as the Dreamcast version (a part from the English voices obviously). My mate was going on and on about how much better the graphics would be for the Xbox and just overall how superior it would be. It wasn't until long into the argument when I realised he had no idea Shenmue 2 had come out for the Dreamcast and that the Xbox version was going to be essentially a port. He thought the game was made specifically for the Xbox. I come from the UK btw.
But hey, I was always the "Dreamcast kid" at school. Even deep into the PS2, Gamecube and Xbox's popularity, when everyone was talking about those consoles, I was still the one raving about the Dreamcast lol. It really used to annoy people haha.
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DVD player. Honestly that was the sole reason me and just about everyone i knew didnt get one. It seems crazy now but back in 1999 DVDs were taking over BIG TIME and the players were really expensive. Except for the PS2 which we all knew was coming out soon.
Its hard to explain but imagine the current thing with blu-ray and the ps3. Except that shops all decided to change to blu-ray so you didnt have a choice of buying dvds anymore.
Haha I think I'm one of the only people who actually didn't care less about DVD back then, and hence why I had no problem with buying a Dreamcast instead. Besides, wasn't the DVD player on the PS2 supposed to be crap? I've never really watched a DVD on a PS2, so I couldn't comment, but it's just what I heard.
Now imagine someone not caring about DVD back when you HAD to have DVD, and just imagine how little I give a rat's arse about Blu-ray
No doubt though, in the next year or 2, we'll all be forced into buying Blu-ray though as DVDs become dropped. Ah well.
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Frizz.Meister wrote:DVD player. Honestly that was the sole reason me and just about everyone i knew didnt get one. It seems crazy now but back in 1999 DVDs were taking over BIG TIME and the players were really expensive. Except for the PS2 which we all knew was coming out soon.
I've heard it argued that way. On the other hand, it's also been argued that (especially in Japan and anywhere the Laserdisc format was popular) the DVD format only became widespread so quickly because of the PS2.
Oh, and yes, the PS2 DVD player is crap. MPEG artifacts are much worse than on most players I've seen. You can especially see it if you watch something where a bright red shape moves quickly across a dark background. There will be blocky edges all around it. Ruins a lot of old school special effects and a lot of old anime.
flamepanther wrote:Oh, and yes, the PS2 DVD player is crap. MPEG artifacts are much worse than on most players I've seen. You can especially see it if you watch something where a bright red shape moves quickly across a dark background. There will be blocky edges all around it. Ruins a lot of old school special effects and a lot of old anime.
Old TV shows on DVD suffered pretty badly on the PS2's DVD player as well. I remember watching Babylon 5 on it and wondering if they'd done a terrible job with the DVD coding.
...nope, I was just poor/cheap and had a PS2 to watch movies on. My mistake.
Maybe now Nintendo will acknowledge Metroid has a fanbase?
Flake wrote:Old TV shows on DVD suffered pretty badly on the PS2's DVD player as well. I remember watching Babylon 5 on it and wondering if they'd done a terrible job with the DVD coding.
...nope, I was just poor/cheap and had a PS2 to watch movies on. My mistake.
Yeah, B5 has a lot of high contrast scenes, and that's what really shows the PS2's DVD problems.
I kinda wonder if maybe Sony gets too much of the blame for the Dreamcasts demise. Microsoft already had plans for the oXbox, right? If Sega had survived their own poor decisions could they have stayed afloat in a four game platform system?
Maybe now Nintendo will acknowledge Metroid has a fanbase?
Flake wrote:I kinda wonder if maybe Sony gets too much of the blame for the Dreamcasts demise. Microsoft already had plans for the oXbox, right? If Sega had survived their own poor decisions could they have stayed afloat in a four game platform system?
It makes sense to wonder that now the MS has a big hit with their 360. At the time we're talking about, though, the Xbox brand was pretty much a dud console propped up only by money from elsewhere. It's like asking if the TG16 could have survived being in the market with Neo Geo CD. Sony ate up such an immensely disproportionate share of the market that it isn't even remotely funny, and it was specifically Sega's traditional brand identity they took over. There's no question who besides Sega is to blame.
