Arizona law takes effect thursday

[Octopod]

Maybe I just need to chill a bit but I feel odd after being compared to a racist.

[Limewater]

Maybe I just need to chill a bit but I feel odd after being compared to a racist.

Being compared to a racist is not the same thing as being accused of being racist. However, your discomfort at the comparison, I believe, underscores the relatively subtle distinction I have been alluding to in the "Mosques" thread. I did not call you a racist, and I do not believe you are racist (though Luke totally does. See the tattoo thread. (That's a joke, by the way)). At the same time, you feel very defensive, as if you had been accused of being racist.

For what it's worth, I consider the distinction between "compared to" and "accused of" to be of similar subtlety to the distinction between "hating religion" and "hating religious people."

[Octopod]

Maybe I just need to chill a bit but I feel odd after being compared to a racist.

Being compared to a racist is not the same thing as being accused of being racist. However, your discomfort at the comparison, I believe, underscores the relatively subtle distinction I have been alluding to in the "Mosques" thread. I did not call you a racist, and I do not believe you are racist (though Luke totally does. See the tattoo thread. (That's a joke, by the way)). At the same time, you feel very defensive, as if you had been accused of being racist.

For what it's worth, I consider the distinction between "compared to" and "accused of" to be of similar subtlety to the distinction between "hating religion" and "hating religious people."

I'm not feeling defensive and I disagree with your analogy still as it could be applied to anything as we already showed. Being compared to a racist makes people uncomfortable whether it holds any weight or not. At any rate I am done with that conversation. I hate(which is defined as a strong dislike) religion, if that makes me a bigot I can live with that. If you dislike capitalism you are a bigot too then. If you dislike communism you are a bigot. Those are also both systems some people hold dear. Apparently if you hate any belief system you are a bigot. I'm done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatred

[Octopod]

And why do people keep keep posting in this thread without giving their opinion of the topic at hand?

[dsheinem]

Maybe I just need to chill a bit but I feel odd after being compared to a racist.

Being compared to a racist is not the same thing as being accused of being racist. However, your discomfort at the comparison, I believe, underscores the relatively subtle distinction I have been alluding to in the "Mosques" thread. I did not call you a racist, and I do not believe you are racist (though Luke totally does. See the tattoo thread. (That's a joke, by the way)). At the same time, you feel very defensive, as if you had been accused of being racist.

For what it's worth, I consider the distinction between "compared to" and "accused of" to be of similar subtlety to the distinction between "hating religion" and "hating religious people."

I'm not feeling defensive and I disagree with your analogy still as it could be applied to anything as we already showed. Being compared to a racist makes people uncomfortable whether it holds any weight or not. At any rate I am done with that conversation. I hate(which is defined as a strong dislike) religion, if that makes me a bigot I can live with that. If you dislike capitalism you are a bigot too then. If you dislike communism you are a bigot. Those are also both systems some people hold dear. Apparently if you hate any belief system you are a bigot. I'm done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatred

I hate people who use Wikipedia as a source.

[Octopod]

I just grabbed it as a definition source. I guess I could have used one of the online dictionary.

Edit: I hadn't even read anything but the header on the wiki link until after I posted it but I like this...
"René Descartes viewed hate as an awareness that something is bad combined with an urge to withdraw from it"

[lisalover1]

Actually Budsmoka was banned quite a while ago.

Aw, that's too bad. We really need another one of these guys around here: http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/target.htm

[Limewater]

I'm not feeling defensive and I disagree with your analogy still as it could be applied to anything as we already showed.

Of course the analogy can be applied to anything. That's why it works. It even works when you apply it to your dockers example, as I discussed on the "mosques" thread. The point isn't that a comparison can be made. The point is that both statements get a similar reaction-- not that both statements are horrible hateful bigotry.

Being compared to a racist makes people uncomfortable whether it holds any weight or not.

That's kind of silly. You're just like David Duke in that you are a male. Bam. You must feel really uncomfortable at this comparison.

At any rate I am done with that conversation. I hate(which is defined as a strong dislike) religion, if that makes me a bigot I can live with that. If you dislike capitalism you are a bigot too then. If you dislike communism you are a bigot. Those are also both systems some people hold dear. Apparently if you hate any belief system you are a bigot. I'm done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatred

I never said that hating a religion meant that you were a bigot. Again, the fact that you continue to read this into my statement only serves to reinforce what I said. When I wrote what I did about hating religion versus hating religious people, I was not accusing you of anything. I was simply giving an illustration of how your words might (and usually would be) perceived by others. That was all I ever meant to show. However, you perceived that illustration as being accusatory. Similarly, I personally don't really consider what you said about religion to be bigotry. However, to a lot of people, particularly those in the groups you hate, it doesn't look much different from bigotry. Again, that was my point, and the fact that you feel like you've been accused of bigotry only reinforces it. I did not call you a bigot, but what I wrote, while different, was clearly close enough that you feel like you have been called a bigot.

[Limewater]

I know this though, if I wanted to immigrate to another country I would basically have to be a doctor or engineer or something of that kind. I know, I have looked into it several times.

Yeah, Americans are rich already. They won't emigrate unless they've got amazing jobs elsewhere.

I could be wrong, but I think Octopod was actually referring to the tight immigration restrictions that a lot of countries have. Many countries such as New Zealand which have very strong social services programs have much tighter immigration restrictions than the United States. Often, they'll only take you if you offer a skill that they particularly need, and if you're above a certain age, you're completely out of luck. I believe this is somewhat true in the United States, but to a much lesser extent.

[CRTGAMER]

Wrong that police are allowed to ask if illegal based on suspicion, does amount to racial profiling. However ANY law enforcement agency should be allowed to enforce ALL laws, not subsidized to certain agencies. If the illegal question tool is used, must be used on everyone. Right now the whole legal status check is a joke. A U.S. citizen really has no proof on them as to legal status.