Tought I was in the clear

[miked]

It's funny how people put up with consoles failing ALMOST out of the box, yet people flip shit when sony removes a feature.
Not trying to start any fights, but I would rather lose a feature than send my PS3 in every 3 months or more to get a replacement.
I might buy a 360 if I get one for the right price.
On a side note. I turned on my Dreamcast today. I still works 10 years later.

Amen. If Sony removed a feature than START A PETITION if it bothers you that much. Bitching on the internet never got anything done, unless its in numbers. People can say that the YLOD is just as common as the RROD but I dont believe it. Hell look at topics around here and see how many RROD we see against YLOD. I think its about 4 to 1 at the moment, but whos counting? I guess me..........

PS: About the Dreamcast..............Legends never die.

[crux]

However, maybe it's good that I don't buy a 360 considering most games on it you don't really own anyway. Between download only games and partial download games (disc based games with DLC), it's just a big pile of temporary shit. Either your system breaks or the games are taken off the server. Give it 10 years and XBOX 360 won't exist in any form. I will take the moral high road and choose not to participate, thank you.

You've brought this up numerous time and I'm still not sure how conclusion A leads to conclusion B. Some games rely on servers, some Xbox 360's break, therefor all Xbox 360 games will cease to exist. How does that work again?

[CRTGAMER]

However, maybe it's good that I don't buy a 360 considering most games on it you don't really own anyway. Between download only games and partial download games (disc based games with DLC), it's just a big pile of temporary shit. Either your system breaks or the games are taken off the server. Give it 10 years and XBOX 360 won't exist in any form. I will take the moral high road and choose not to participate, thank you.

You've brought this up numerous time and I'm still not sure how conclusion A leads to conclusion B. Some games rely on servers, some Xbox 360's break, therefor all Xbox 360 games will cease to exist. How does that work again?

YLLOD and RROD. Eventuality fail due to OSHA required lead free solder. Plus servers won't support downloads on a given system forever, consider any download only a rental.

[CRTGAMER]

People can say that the YLOD is just as common as the RROD but I dont believe it. Hell look at topics around here and see how many RROD we see against YLOD. I think its about 4 to 1 at the moment, but whos counting?

Well, my odds are crap. Two YLODs within 90 days of each other.
http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopi ... 26&t=19871

[crux]

YLLOD and RROD. Eventuality fail due to OSHA required lead free solder. Plus servers won't support downloads on a given system forever, consider any download only a rental.

I fully understand this, but over a long enough span the lifespan of every console drops to zero. It's the strongest argument as to why emulation is so vital. Failure rates is a personal reason not to buy a system, sure, but the argument was that Xbox 360's won't exist in 10 years. I'm still not sure of the logic in that statement.

[CRTGAMER]

YLLOD and RROD. Eventuality fail due to OSHA required lead free solder. Plus servers won't support downloads on a given system forever, consider any download only a rental.

I fully understand this, but over a long enough span the lifespan of every console drops to zero. It's the strongest argument as to why emulation is so vital. Failure rates is a personal reason not to buy a system, sure, but the argument was that Xbox 360's won't exist in 10 years. I'm still not sure of the logic in that statement.

I think that the past couple years has shown the current systems are VERY unreliable compared to older consoles. My Atari 5200, Vectrex, PS1 and even the PS2 is still going strong, yet I doubt if my son's PS3 will last that long, let alone a couple of years later.

It a grim situation when the older PS2 -XBox generation are expected to outlive their offspring.

As far as EMU route, I prefer playing on the original system to get the entire experience. Example Dreamcast REZ with a Mad Katz vibration pac or Atari 5200 Trakball with Centipede. I can't get all the Mame arcades to fit in my house, but I'll keep the consoles with a spare in the closet.

[Inazuma]

However, maybe it's good that I don't buy a 360 considering most games on it you don't really own anyway. Between download only games and partial download games (disc based games with DLC), it's just a big pile of temporary shit. Either your system breaks or the games are taken off the server. Give it 10 years and XBOX 360 won't exist in any form. I will take the moral high road and choose not to participate, thank you.

You've brought this up numerous time and I'm still not sure how conclusion A leads to conclusion B. Some games rely on servers, some Xbox 360's break, therefor all Xbox 360 games will cease to exist. How does that work again?

First off, the XBOX 360 has a terrible failure rate so 10 years from now it may be hard to find some that still work properly. Also, Microsoft will likely stop support for XBOX 360's online features which means all of those download only games and DLC will no longer be available.

If you don't believe me, take a look at the original XBOX today. You can no longer obtain any of it's DLC since it has all been taken down from the server.

[crux]

I can play all of the Xbox DLC since it's been taken off the Live servers, actually, because of this great thing called the internet. It's not ideal, of course, but I don't think this is a discussion of ideals.

Moreover, since I'm retorting to hyperbole here, a great many Xbox 360's will be functioning in ten years. There are a large amount of launch models still functioning, the system is still being manufactured, and each new iteration is typically more reliable than the last. I'm going to use my time machine here and make a guarantee that Xbox 360's will not be remotely hard to find in ten years. Had you said thirty years, my time machine would break down, but again, I'm responding to hyperbole.

Edit: Also, to CRTGAMER: Funny you should bring up PS2 among older consoles. I'm on my third and I don't expect it to last forever either. Double edit: Hell, I also remember PS1's being played upside down for increased circulation. Of course, I understand that consoles don't last as long these days - but I've also had numerous PC hardware go haywire over the years. Much older games, on floppy disks, are lucky to even retain information over the decades. Hardware is hardware - it's better to preserve it now than hope it lasts forever.

[Inazuma]

I can play all of the Xbox DLC since it's been taken off the Live servers, actually, because of this great thing called the internet. It's not ideal, of course, but I don't think this is a discussion of ideals.

Moreover, since I'm retorting to hyperbole here, a great many Xbox 360's will be functioning in ten years. There are a large amount of launch models still functioning, the system is still being manufactured, and each new iteration is typically more reliable than the last. I'm going to use my time machine here and make a guarantee that Xbox 360's will not be remotely hard to find in ten years. Had you said thirty years, my time machine would break down, but again, I'm responding to hyperbole.

You can get XBOX DLC even though the servers are down? Please tell me how you do it. I have an XBOX and occasionally buy a game for it, so I would love to know.

[crux]

I haven't done it myself yet, but there are torrents for all the DLC out there. FTP them to the appropriate directory and enjoy. It requires a modded Xbox (soft or hard modded, I believe), of course. It worked on Live even before the servers went down, but now that they've forced our hand it's the only way to get the content outside of the few games that had DLC discs.

DLC downloads also exist for 360, though that's quite a bit more shady and needs to be done with caution since a Live account hangs in the balance there. It'll be a given in ten plus years though. It's a given for every system. Some people have even extracted unreleased games from the Virtual Console (the MVS version of IronClad, specifically) in order to put them on the original system. No information for systems as large as Sony's, Microsoft's, or Nintendo's will ever be "lost," unless we're talking about prototypes.