Sony removing OtherOS feature in 3.21 PS3 update

[MrPopo]

This is for security reasons. Piracy has become so bad with the PSP, that Sony has even considered pulling the handheld out of the NA market. The OtherOS feature apparently creates an opportunity for those who want to hack the system, and after the PSP disaster Sony isn't going to play around.

No, all they had to do was patch the hypervisor. They didn't patch the security flaw and simply decided to remove the entire feature. What happens if an exploit is found in the PS2 BC of the PS3? Sony will just pull the feature. This cannot happen. Sony don't have the right to remove features from hardware that we paid for. That's the bottom line.

Microsoft has shown us that you can spend an eternity patching security flaws. Easier to cut it off at the source.

Also, I'm not sure if they CAN remove the PS2 BC (at least on 60 GB ones). I'd have to know more about the architecture of the SystemOS.

[CRTGAMER]

I just want to know if its a stupid april fools or if its real. Im still not 100 percent this is legit.

http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2010/03/ ... april-1st/

[CRTGAMER]

Microsoft has shown us that you can spend an eternity patching security flaws. Easier to cut it off at the source.

Remove Windoze.

[Niode]

This is for security reasons. Piracy has become so bad with the PSP, that Sony has even considered pulling the handheld out of the NA market. The OtherOS feature apparently creates an opportunity for those who want to hack the system, and after the PSP disaster Sony isn't going to play around.

No, all they had to do was patch the hypervisor. They didn't patch the security flaw and simply decided to remove the entire feature. What happens if an exploit is found in the PS2 BC of the PS3? Sony will just pull the feature. This cannot happen. Sony don't have the right to remove features from hardware that we paid for. That's the bottom line.

Microsoft has shown us that you can spend an eternity patching security flaws. Easier to cut it off at the source.

Also, I'm not sure if they CAN remove the PS2 BC (at least on 60 GB ones). I'd have to know more about the architecture of the SystemOS.

Doesn't matter what feature it is, the only reason I chose PS2 BC was because it was another feature that Sony has deemed to be used by a minority. It will be next in line for the chop if such a thing should happen. They could quite easily remove any feature due to 'security issues'. If you are supporting Sony in their decision then you clearly don't give a shit about the hardware that you buy and the rights you have as an owner, i'm not just singling you out here MrPopo, it goes for everybody who is in support of Sony over this.

[MrPopo]

If you are supporting Sony in their decision then you clearly don't give a shit about the hardware that you buy and the rights you have as an owner, i'm not just singling you out here MrPopo, it goes for everybody who is in support of Sony over this.

Let's back up a second. When you bought the PS3 you also understood that Sony can change their system software any way they choose, just like when you purchased Windows you understood that Microsoft can add or remove features through patches. It would be up to you as to whether or not you want to accept the update. That's why they give you the option, instead of stealth patching. And there are certain consequences to not upgrading; you lose PSN access (which is fully within their right to do) and you might not be able to play the latest games that require the update. This is no different than the PC market. If I want to play game X I need to meet the minimum OS and DirectX requirements. And when I installed Windows XP to replace Windows 98 I lost the ability to play Mechwarrior 2. Oh no! I'm being held hostage by Microsoft!

Personally I think you are a little too invested in this because this update is directly affecting you. Plus your dislike of Sony for past experiences is well known. Yes, in principle I disagree with what they're doing. But I don't care enough to boycott the update or anything like that, or boycott Sony products from now on. I purchased the PS3 expecting it to have the following features:

Play PS3 games
Wireless connectivity to PSN

It also came with the following features that I don't care about:

Other OS
PS2 Hardware BC
Flash card support

As long as it maintains the features I paid for I don't have any beef with them.

[msimplay]

Microsoft has shown us that you can spend an eternity patching security flaws. Easier to cut it off at the source.

Also, I'm not sure if they CAN remove the PS2 BC (at least on 60 GB ones). I'd have to know more about the architecture of the SystemOS.

Window's has many security flaws you going to expect Microsoft to simply cut out Windows ?

Regardless of whether something is hard or not makes no difference consumers have bought their product based on what the features are.
If even one of those features somehow stops working the consumer is not getting what they paid for.

If you bought a Bluray player that advertised as playing both Bluray and DVD's but through an update the DVD feature got cut everyone would soon be complaining and asking for refunds but just because Sony is being lazy and not patching the security flaw its completely okay.

I seriously don't get why people are supporting Sony in this they are big companies just out their to make money for themselves you should look after your own rights coz they damn sure will look after their own.

As long as it maintains the features I paid for I don't have any beef with them.

That is the bottom line people are not getting the features they paid for regardless of what you bought it for. You are also not getting what you paid for

If I want to play game X I need to meet the minimum OS and DirectX requirements. And when I installed Windows XP to replace Windows 98 I lost the ability to play Mechwarrior 2. Oh no! I'm being held hostage by Microsoft!

Not a very good analogy really everyone accepts that Windows XP is a different operating system compared to Windows 98 so casualties are accepted.
I don't recall Windows XP or Windows 98 losing it's features throughout their support cycles.
Its really like comparing apples to Oranges because Windows is the operating system and not the hardware.
With a PC Microsoft does not control both the software and hardware it only controls the software.

The only time it does kind of work is when Microsoft introduced WGA and stopped people having access to updates to new software such as internet explorer 7 and 8.
However this only applied to pirates who didn't pass the WGA test not those who legitimately purchased their software.
The rest still had access to the existing OS features and new ones with updates.

[Niode]

If you are supporting Sony in their decision then you clearly don't give a shit about the hardware that you buy and the rights you have as an owner, i'm not just singling you out here MrPopo, it goes for everybody who is in support of Sony over this.

Let's back up a second. When you bought the PS3 you also understood that Sony can change their system software any way they choose, just like when you purchased Windows you understood that Microsoft can add or remove features through patches. It would be up to you as to whether or not you want to accept the update. That's why they give you the option, instead of stealth patching. And there are certain consequences to not upgrading; you lose PSN access (which is fully within their right to do) and you might not be able to play the latest games that require the update. This is no different than the PC market. If I want to play game X I need to meet the minimum OS and DirectX requirements. And when I installed Windows XP to replace Windows 98 I lost the ability to play Mechwarrior 2. Oh no! I'm being held hostage by Microsoft!

Personally I think you are a little too invested in this because this update is directly affecting you. Plus your dislike of Sony for past experiences is well known. Yes, in principle I disagree with what they're doing. But I don't care enough to boycott the update or anything like that, or boycott Sony products from now on. I purchased the PS3 expecting it to have the following features:

Play PS3 games
Wireless connectivity to PSN

It also came with the following features that I don't care about:

Other OS
PS2 Hardware BC
Flash card support

As long as it maintains the features I paid for I don't have any beef with them.

That isn't the same at all. You chose to upgrade to Windows, you could have chosen not to and kept playing the games compatible with Windows 98/2000. The choice that Sony have given me (and the rest of the Linux users) isn't a choice at all. With a PC you could always have both. You could always have had Windows 98 AND windows XP, best of both worlds. Microsoft aren't holding you ransom to ANYTHING you still have the freedom to do whatever you want with your PC. The PS3 is a closed system. Whatever Sony says goes. You want a feature that you paid for? Prepare to have a device that is not fit for purpose. There's no choice, both paths have consequences. Do you choose to let Sony get away with this shit and just bend over and take it in the rear? Or do you stand up for your rights as a consumer, face having a system not fit for purpose to show that Sony cannot get away with this bullshit.

The bottom line is, we paid for the these features, we deserve to have them for the life of the system. Removing features should not, and according to trading standards, is not allowed. Consumer rights are on my side, and I am going to fight this to the end.

Join the Facebook group and invite your friends if you believe in your rights as a consumer.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=1 ... 041&ref=mf

[MrPopo]

That isn't the same at all. You chose to upgrade to Windows, you could have chosen not to and kept playing the games compatible with Windows 98/2000.

You're choosing whether or not you want to upgrade your PS3's system software to be able to play new games. If you don't you can still play your old games. The PSN is completely independent of the PS3. It is a network that the PS3 and PSP (and likely PS4) can connect to for online play and an online store. And since Sony hosts it and pays for it they're free to allow or disallow access as they choose. It's no different than Battle.net in that regard.

The choice that Sony have given me (and the rest of the Linux users) isn't a choice at all. With a PC you could always have both. You could always have had Windows 98 AND windows XP, best of both worlds.

So can you. Keep your fatty off the network and don't get the upgrade and buy a new PS3 to stay on the network (with new PS3 == new OS in this analogy).

The PS3 is a closed system. Whatever Sony says goes.

So are you saying that the PS3 is a closed system, you knew it was closed when you bought it, and you still decided to get it knowing that it was closed? Then the fault lies with the consumer.

The bottom line is, we paid for the these features, we deserve to have them for the life of the system. Removing features should not, and according to trading standards, is not allowed. Consumer rights are on my side, and I am going to fight this to the end.

I would actually be curious whether or not you have some legal precedent for this argument (not saying you don't). The ability to add or remove features remotely is a very new innovation. The only product I can think of where this regularly happens is MMOs, where you can lose access to portions of content simply because of a patch (level 60 Naxx in WoW comes to mind).

As I've said, I disagree with Sony's decision. It simply does not affect me, nor will it affect any future plans I had for this device. Thus I'm not willing to make any sacrifices in order to "prove a point" or "send a message".

[Niode]

The PS3 is a closed system. Whatever Sony says goes.

So are you saying that the PS3 is a closed system, you knew it was closed when you bought it, and you still decided to get it knowing that it was closed? Then the fault lies with the consumer.

I bought the system intending to use the features I paid for. Fault lies with Sony. I didn't break any laws, I didn't do anything wrong. Sony are victimising me, and every other legitimate user of Linux on the PS3.

[MrPopo]

The PS3 is a closed system. Whatever Sony says goes.

So are you saying that the PS3 is a closed system, you knew it was closed when you bought it, and you still decided to get it knowing that it was closed? Then the fault lies with the consumer.

I bought the system intending to use the features I paid for. Fault lies with Sony. I didn't break any laws, I didn't do anything wrong. Sony are victimising me, and every other legitimate user of Linux on the PS3.

Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

Once again, if you stop updating your PS3 two things happen. You cannot play new games and you cannot log into the PSN. And you lose the ability to connect to the PSN if Sony ever takes it down anyway, and I'm sure you knew that when you purchased the PS3. The reason you can't play new games is because of Sony's licensing system for their closed platform, but we knew going in, because it's been like this for every console, that a console is a closed platform from a software perspective. If your software doesn't meet their standards you don't get to publish it.