Sony removing OtherOS feature in 3.21 PS3 update

[the7k]

Think about it like this. My hand can grab things, but can also be used for masturbation. It wasn't created to do that though. If all of a sudden i couldnt do that anymore, it wouldn't matter because i have billions of other things that can still do it for me.

Now i have the ps3. It can emulate stuff. But who seriously bought if for this? No one. Thats who. People just want to complain. Everyone loves complaining. If otherOS is taken away. You can do the same ol shit that otherOS did, on something else. And still use teh ps3 for what it was made for.

That analogy sucks.

Seriously. If my hand suddenly couldn't be used for masturbation, I think I'd be pretty damn pissed. I think about 99.999% of the people in the world would feel the same way.

This would be more like if you got a DVR that suddenly refused to record C-SPAN.

Mod_Man_Extreme: Ah, I see.

Well, one hole in an argument doesn't completely de-validate it. I'd still say removing OtherOS support is far better than bricking your console. I mean, hell, they've even given people a warning beforehand for those that this is really important to. It's not like they just stealth'ed this shit out.

[MrPopo]

The problem here is that they've completely removed the feature because it may lead to piracy in the long run. Rather than patching the vulnerability in software they've removed the feature altogether.

I'm guessing Sony is gun-shy after the PSP. Especially since they can't comprehend that the problem with the PSP is that it's targeting an audience that's not really there. So they're seeing that people might start getting PS3 games for free and are taking measures to nip it in the bud.

Can't you see that it sets an ugly precedent where a company can do whatever they like with your hardware, remove features that you have paid for as they see fit because it protects their bottom line. Well, you know what Sony, your bottom line depends on us. The consumer, and pulling this kind of shit alienates your customers and we will walk away from you and take our money elsewhere.

The problem, Niode, is this kind of shit alienates a very small but very vocal part of their customers. Most people will hear the ranting about it and shrug their shoulders. Sony doesn't need YOUR business. If I lose 1% of my customer base but ensure that other 99% will continue to give me money I'd consider that worth it.

[GSZX1337]

Think about it like this. My hand can grab things, but can also be used for masturbation. It wasn't created to do that though. If all of a sudden i couldnt do that anymore, it wouldn't matter because i have billions of other things that can still do it for me.

Now i have the ps3. It can emulate stuff. But who seriously bought if for this? No one. Thats who. People just want to complain. Everyone loves complaining. If otherOS is taken away. You can do the same ol shit that otherOS did, on something else. And still use teh ps3 for what it was made for.

That analogy sucks.

Seriously. If my hand suddenly couldn't be used for masturbation, I think I'd be pretty damn pissed. I think about 100% of the people in the world would feel the same way.

If your hand couldn't wank anymore, you probably couldn't do other things like use a tooth brush.

[Octopod]

Or play video games!

[the7k]

Maybe I just don't care one way or the other because I just don't have a stake in this argument.

I used Linux on the PS3 while I was in college, and it was pretty meh, to be honest. After the Slim came out, I was more than happy to get rid of my old PS3 for the more reliable PS3 Slim - the lost of OtherOS didn't matter at all to me. Sure, I'd be losing the ability to play Marvel vs Capcom on the PS3... but that was about it.

Maybe if Linux on the PS3 was able to do just as much as any used PC I could find at Good Will, I'd see the problem in losing it. I mean, hell, I got a PC for $50 that can run Third Strike and Red Earth. Best I can remember running on the OtherOS was Marvel vs Capcom.

[dlmvii]

The problem here is that they've completely removed the feature because it may lead to piracy in the long run. Rather than patching the vulnerability in software they've removed the feature altogether.

I'm guessing Sony is gun-shy after the PSP. Especially since they can't comprehend that the problem with the PSP is that it's targeting an audience that's not really there. So they're seeing that people might start getting PS3 games for free and are taking measures to nip it in the bud.

Can't you see that it sets an ugly precedent where a company can do whatever they like with your hardware, remove features that you have paid for as they see fit because it protects their bottom line. Well, you know what Sony, your bottom line depends on us. The consumer, and pulling this kind of shit alienates your customers and we will walk away from you and take our money elsewhere.

The problem, Niode, is this kind of shit alienates a very small but very vocal part of their customers. Most people will hear the ranting about it and shrug their shoulders. Sony doesn't need YOUR business. If I lose 1% of my customer base but ensure that other 99% will continue to give me money I'd consider that worth it.

And, of course, the vocal minority in this case are the ones who would have the technical know-how to pirate games anyways.

Not that I'm saying everyone who uses OtherOS is a pirate, of course. And I'm a little miffed by its removal as well.

[Niode]

It doesn't matter what the feature is though, try and get away from the fact that they are removing OtherOS. IT doesn't matter that that is the feature they are removing. It could be any number of features on the PS3. They could remove anyone of them, at a drop of a hat just because they can. UNLESS we show them that they can't get away with this shit. It isn't fair to customers to remove features that you paid for.

If you upgrade your hardware, then that's fine, you accept that the features that you are getting are worth it to you. You don't complain when you bought the slim but it doesn't play PS2 games, it was never intended to, it's still fit for purpose. Now if you buy something comes with a certain amount of features then you expect to have those features for the entire life of the product. It doesn't matter what feature is removed, they're still removing value from your hardware. They're soft-limiting it's use after you have paid for it.

Saying that you still have a choice by not installing the update is incorrect. You can't have it both ways, if you don't upgrade you no longer have access to PSN so any games that require PSN sync on startup will cease to work. No games will work online. No games that require 3.21 will work, same goes for BD. Pretty much any games that broke in the 1st March debacle will break post 1st April. Just because I want to use my PS3 in the way I intended to use it when I bought it. It is now a machine that is not fit for purpose.

The Dreamcast analogy is broken, since it's the mil-cd support that allows pirates to boot cd-rs on the console. Mil-cd is similar to karaoke cd in that it has extra multimedia content on the disc and the Dreamcast can view it. They removed mil-cd support eventually in a hardware revision. Since it's a hardware revision you buy the features that you paid for, and this one doesn't support it, no complaints. The DC can still play music CDs just not mil-cds.

I'm not even going to bother to respond to the hand analogy

[Ivo]

If it makes you feel better Niode, I'm with you on this and I 100% understand the principle. It's a feature offered on the fat, you paid for a fat and expect to continue to have the feature.

It doesn't help that the fats were more expensive than the slim and all that, you paid a premium (1st or 2nd hand, doesn't matter) you get the features - be that the backwards compatibility (probably not for you as you got a gimped U.K. one I guess) or OtherOS support.

If you buy a PS3 Slim or a PSP Go you can't complain about not having X feature or whatever that the previous hardware had - this is something different.

Ivo.

[Niode]

If it makes you feel better Niode, I'm with you on this and I 100% understand the principle. It's a feature offered on the fat, you paid for a fat and expect to continue to have the feature.

It doesn't help that the fats were more expensive than the slim and all that, you paid a premium (1st or 2nd hand, doesn't matter) you get the features - be that the backwards compatibility (probably not for you as you got a gimped U.K. one I guess) or OtherOS support.

If you buy a PS3 Slim or a PSP Go you can't complain about not having X feature or whatever that the previous hardware had - this is something different.

Ivo.

Yes, that is exactly what I'm talking about. You go into those new SKUs knowing exactly what features are and you accept that these systems have those features. For Sony to take features away from you after you have paid your money is absolutely disgusting. They shouldn't be allowed to do it, but all these bloody morons with slim PS3s are going "blah blah, it's not a feature I could have used anyway so it doesn't really matter does it?" are the people that are going to show Sony that they can get away with this shit.

I seriously hope that this does open the doors to piracy, Sony will finally receive what they have coming to them. I know that I am not going to be giving any money to Sony ever again. I will not buy any of their hardware brand new anymore, and I will buy my PS3 games second hand. Until you re-instate this feature I will no longer support your lying, and now thieving, company ever again.

[lisalover1]

I seriously hope that this does open the doors to piracy, Sony will finally receive what they have coming to them. I know that I am not going to be giving any money to Sony ever again. I will not buy any of their hardware brand new anymore, and I will buy my PS3 games second hand. Until you re-instate this feature I will no longer support your lying, and now thieving, company ever again.

Welcome to the club, bro.