What was the last movie you've seen?

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Luke wrote:
If you want an argument, go time travel (if it is possible) and talk to Izzy.
I'm just trying to figure out what your basis is for the accusation that most people in Borat were actors and that all reactions were staged. So far, you haven't provided anything but accusations and a link showing that the hooker was an actress.
I posted a link just showing you a main character in BORAT is an actress, nothing more. Google her for yourself if you don't think she is an actress. As for the rest of the supporting cast.
I totally believe you about the hooker. I said initially that she was probably an actress-- she's the type of character I would expect to be in on the joke. I just didn't bother to look it up.
Responses, are just as scripted as the questions on television/radio shows. PR managers don't make a living selling lemonade.
Again, what are you basing this on? The guy running the rodeo in Borat didn't have a PR manager. The guy teaching Borat how to tell a joke didn't have a PR manager. The frat boys in the camper also likely don't have a PR manager (though I'm sure their fraternity does), and they sued Fox over the film.
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Limewater wrote:
Luke wrote:
If you want an argument, go time travel (if it is possible) and talk to Izzy.
I'm just trying to figure out what your basis is for the accusation that most people in Borat were actors and that all reactions were staged. So far, you haven't provided anything but accusations and a link showing that the hooker was an actress.
I posted a link just showing you a main character in BORAT is an actress, nothing more. Google her for yourself if you don't think she is an actress. As for the rest of the supporting cast.
I totally believe you about the hooker. I said initially that she was probably an actress-- she's the type of character I would expect to be in on the joke. I just didn't bother to look it up.
Responses, are just as scripted as the questions on television/radio shows. PR managers don't make a living selling lemonade.
Again, what are you basing this on? The guy running the rodeo in Borat didn't have a PR manager. The guy teaching Borat how to tell a joke didn't have a PR manager. The frat boys in the camper also likely don't have a PR manager (though I'm sure their fraternity does), and they sued Fox over the film.
Oh, I'm sure there are some genuine moments in BORAT, but there are plenty of actors in the movie, and I doubt the majority of the reactions are genuine. That said, actors usually have PR managers. I don't have the time to search for every actor in BORAT, Lord knows imdb wouldn't list them, but I'd wager the majority of main characters are actors.

I base a lot of my opinion on the fact that my friends know how the entertainment industry works.

I don't work in that industry.

I own a marketing consulting company and a teeny-tiny catering business. My bread and butter is helping small businesses, and well, selling bread and butter. I do, however, have a great group of friends who work in entertainment. Some work in the East Coast for WNBC, some work in the West Coast for MTV. Believing that the reactions in BORAT are 100% genuine is like believing all the reactions on "The Hills" are genuine. Some are. The majority are not.
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So if the people aren't actors, how do they get them to sign releases? Do they just say after the bit that it was all a joke and the people laugh and willingly sign, or do they just say this is a documentary and have people sign beforehand or after still thinking it was just a documentary? I always wondered how that worked on these types of shows/movies. Like in Punk'd they realize it's a joke at the end and I am sure the victims are fine with it being aired. In BORAT, etc, do they not realize what actual happened until the movie comes out?
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Luke wrote: Oh, I'm sure there are some genuine moments in BORAT, but there are plenty of actors in the movie, and I doubt the majority of the reactions are genuine. That said, actors usually have PR managers. I don't have the time to search for every actor in BORAT, Lord knows imdb wouldn't list them, but I'd wager the majority of main characters are actors.
You didn't actually look at the link I posted, did you?
I base a lot of my opinion on the fact that my friends know how the entertainment industry works.

I don't work in that industry.
So now it's opinion? It wasn't stated as one earlier. But I don't really see how this is a matter of opinion. Either the people in the movie were actor or they weren't. Either their reactions were scripted or they weren't. That's a very binary situation, without a lot of room for interpretation.

Of course the main characters are actors. I don't think too many people were under the impression that Borat's obese traveling companion was a real person.
I own a marketing consulting company and a teeny-tiny catering business. My bread and butter is helping small businesses, and well, selling bread and butter. I do, however, have a great group of friends who work in entertainment. Some work in the East Coast for WNBC, some work in the West Coast for MTV. Believing that the reactions in BORAT are 100% genuine is like believing all the reactions on "The Hills" are genuine. Some are. The majority are not.
So "Borat" is fake because some TV show on MTV that has to generate hours and hours of original programming every season is fake? Sure, people are coached on reality shows. They have to do crap like that to make each episode dramatic/entertaining. They have to make, like, 13-24 episodes in short turnaround. Also, a whole lot of reality show participants are people who either are actors or want to be actors.

But with Borat, they only had to get about 90 minutes of good footage and had a whole lot longer to do it. Additionally, they were interviewing real people, not aspiring actors (though I'm sure there were a couple in there). In reality television, they follow a few people around for a very long time and have to make drama. In Borat, they never stuck with anyone long enough to need major coaching. I'm sure there was a little bit of prodding or manipulation going on, but the people being filmed were pretty clearly Naaaaaaahhht in on it.

That last bit was a Borat joke.


Vash23n asked about how people agreed to be in the film. As I understand it, most people signed release forms prior to meeting Borat under the assumption that they were participating in a serious documentary meant for eastern European viewers. Many apparently through that the entire film crew was from Belarus.
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Vash23n asked about how people agreed to be in the film. As I understand it, most people signed release forms prior to meeting Borat under the assumption that they were participating in a serious documentary meant for eastern European viewers. Many apparently through that the entire film crew was from Belarus.
Gotcha. I am not surprised now that there were lawsuits. Isn't that misrepresentation or something (I don't know my legal jargon)?
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vash23n wrote:So if the people aren't actors, how do they get them to sign releases?
What does common sense tell you?
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Luke wrote:
vash23n wrote:So if the people aren't actors, how do they get them to sign releases?
What does common sense tell you?
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Ah, the "YouTube Off".
Very mature.

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Luke wrote:Ah, the "YouTube Off".
Very mature.

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I don't know what a "YouTube Off" is. I just linked to that instead of writing "*facepalm*".

What's more pretentious? Talking about a movie, or coming in with "I hope you know that's not real" and then only backing up your statement with claims of some sort of insider information because you know some people who work for MTV? I said that the people in "Borat" and "Bruno" were not in on the joke because, to my knowledge, all publicly-available information indicates that, for the most part, they were not in on the joke. I have based this idea not on claims of superior knowledge, or participation in some dark comedy cabal, but on just reading about the movies from sources that anyone on this board could easily find himself.

What's more plausible? That a guy told a whole bunch of people they were going to be in a documentary when it was secretly a comedy? Or that a hundreds of people over the years including major world leaders were willing to look foolish, silly, racist, sexist, or homophobic in front of millions of people and then all manage to keep it a secret from major media sources, convincing them that everything was real by filing phony lawsuits and releasing public statements years after they were videotaped with no obvious further compensation coming to them?

I believe that common sense is quite often very flawed, but what the heck. "What does common sense tell you?"
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