This is what happens when a console site makes a PC list

[ZeroAX]

gametrailers made a video about the top 10 most BREAKTHROUGH games, in the pc market.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/top-10-gt-countdown/52509?cm_mmc=gametrailers_content-_-Homepage_Massive_Top_Ten-_-1x1-_-a505


while I don't think there's any point in arguing about the order of the list, I have to say I disagree with 2 points on the list.

my small disagreement: why is both quake and doom on the list? the 90s was a decade when the hardware race, on the pc was going like crazy. and quake was basically a doom clone (just made by id). I'd say quake 3 team arena, or unreal tournament belonged more on the list than quake1



also my big disagreement, and the reason I got mad at this video, and it's stupid reviewers who probably haven't even played all the games on the list:

WHY the fuck is starcraft on there? Is it a great game? YEAH it is.
Was it a breakthrough in pc gaming? no not really.
the rts genre was made and defined by one company. WESTWOOD.
the people who made dune 2. the first rts. they also made the C&C series. starcraft was basically a direct competitor to the C&C. it copied it, and just improved on a lot of aspects of C&C. that doesn't make it a breakthrough game though ffs.




and in general. gametrailers suck as at pc. I can't believe they did the wolfenstein review on the ps3. and in their top 10 lists, they never put any pc games in them. their reviewers really lack knowledge when it comes to pc gaming. and IMO they shouldn't just bother. from now on they should just call them "top 10 console fps/rpg/whatever list" cause they know nothing about pc gaming and it shows.

EDIT

also where is Grand Theft Auto? FFS it's the series that has influenced this generation more than anything, and the first game was made for the pc, then ported to the ps1

[123soleil]

the rts genre was made and defined by one company. WESTWOOD.
the people who made dune 2. the first rts.

Dune2 wasn't the first rts, although granted it pretty much defined the genre

[Funk, E]

Westwood did take a lot of cues from Herzog Zwei.

[ZeroAX]

yeah i agree, that in many cases someone has already done what we consider innovative in the gaming industry, but in order for that idea to influence the entire industry, it must be successful.

that's why, while driver 2 did urban crime driving game first, people recognize gta3 as the one that did it, cause it did it good and it made it a success (the gameplay)

[MrPopo]

the rts genre was made and defined by one company. WESTWOOD.
the people who made dune 2. the first rts.

Dune2 wasn't the first rts, although granted it pretty much defined the genre

That's kind of the more important point. Dune 2 and C&C defined the RTS genre, while Warcraft and Starcraft refined it.

[deathclaw]

my small disagreement: why is both quake and doom on the list? the 90s was a decade when the hardware race, on the pc was going like crazy. and quake was basically a doom clone (just made by id). I'd say quake 3 team arena, or unreal tournament belonged more on the list than quake1

I have to disagree on this one, even though Quake was probably not one of 10 most breakthrough PC games ever, it was a lot more breakthrough than Quake 3 or Unreal Tournament.

also where is Grand Theft Auto? FFS it's the series that has influenced this generation more than anything, and the first game was made for the pc, then ported to the ps1

Also I don't think that the first GTA was revolutionary. GTA III sure was, but not the first GTA....but it's just my opinion...

BTW: I did not like that list at all

[Hatta]

Quake & Doom: Doom was the first hugely popular FPS, much more so than Wolf3d. Quake was the first fully 3d FPS. It deserves recognition for that technical achievement alone. Q3A was really just a refinement of the deathmatch play we were used to since Doom.

Starcraft: You have a point there

GTA: GTA1&2 weren't hugely successful or influential. GTA3 was the breakthrough hit for that series, and it was released for PS2 first(though the PC port is the best).

[fast]

Popo, if by refined you mean screwed up the interface then you are correct. The bitter left clicker in me is screaming. Atleast in most newer titles developers are offering both, something Blizzard seems to have trouble with doing.

[Ack]

I'll give you one reason why Starcraft is a defining game of the PC:



Think about how much the Korean gamer appears in online multiplayer in anything that isn't an FPS. And Starcraft is really what got that going. To the rest of us, no, Starcraft's not that great, but in Korea? Fuck man, they have conventions dedicated to nothing but Starcraft.

[ZeroAX]

my small disagreement: why is both quake and doom on the list? the 90s was a decade when the hardware race, on the pc was going like crazy. and quake was basically a doom clone (just made by id). I'd say quake 3 team arena, or unreal tournament belonged more on the list than quake1

I have to disagree on this one, even though Quake was probably not one of 10 most breakthrough PC games ever, it was a lot more breakthrough than Quake 3 or Unreal Tournament.

ok you got me there. just always thought the online play of quake3 and UT, were more important. but maybe it's because i remember it like that. not sure if there was anything like those 2 before (as far as online play)