Xbox has ruined gaming

[Breetai]

Playstation has ruined gaming.

Says the guy that owns two Playstations and two PS2's, and a PS3.

But I had a smiley face in my post!

To be honest, I'm more of a 2D guy. Sony pushed 3D so much that it really did ruin, or at least substantially change, gaming as far as the 2D game market is concerned.

[GSZX1337]

I've read that the PS2 is actually difficult to develop for, but good marketing and mass adoption made up for it (Guerrilla, developer of Killzone 2, said so, IIRC).

Yeah, I remember when the PS2 first came out I saw a list of advantages between the Dreamcast and PlayStation 2. The fact that it was harder to develop for the PS2 was listed.

[the7k]

To be honest, I'm more of a 2D guy. Sony pushed 3D so much that it really did ruin, or at least substantially change, gaming as far as the 2D game market is concerned.

Which made it all the more ironic when Sony showed off King of Fighters XII footage at their E3 event.

2D was going to become a niche in gaming anyway. I honestly think Super Mario 64 did more to change that than Sony did. Even with Sony being god-awfully restrictive towards 2D Gaming, Super Mario 64 made it obvious that 3D was what people craved at the time.

[BIZ]

I think we need to just stop being so negative about the current gen consoles and let time run its course.
If history shows us anything, then we should know that there will be bad games and corny gimmicks.
But there will also be great games, as long as technology keeps advancing and enthusiasm remains.
I can not see it any other way...and it is good.

[lisalover1]

All I see right now that looks good is MGS4,FF13, and versus.

While not all of these are for everyone, but these games are undeniably fun (or in the case that they haven't been released yet, look like they will be fun):

Uncharted
Uncharted 2
Little Big Planet
MGS4
Demon Souls
White Knight Chronicles
FF14
Killzone 2
Resistance
Resistance 2
Infamous
Valkyria Chronicles
Buzz
MLB The Show '09
Warhawk
God of War III
Heavenly Sword
Heavy Rain
MAG
Agent


Just to name a few, but more to your original point: I agree, 360 has definitely taken away from the PC market for sure. I keep thinking to myself, gee, I need a new computer, but then I look and there aren't any games that I would want to play that I can't experience on a console...

I can see in your signature that you do not own a 360, so I can understand your immediate bias. However, I certainly don't agree with it. I own a 360, Wii, and PS3. As for the consoles themselves, all three are fantastic in their own right. But I do dislike the PS3 the most. Why? Because of the fanboys. The PS3 has the loudest, most annoying fanboys I've ever seen for a console. They ruin for me what is an otherwise perfectly respectable gaming console. They make gaming sound like an elitist club where console specifications are all that matter, and games are superfluous. Yes, I'm well aware that every console has fanboys, but let me put it this way. If you had a room with 49 Wii fanboys, 49 360 fanboys, and 2 PS3 fanboys, the only one's you would be able to hear would be the PS3 fanboys.

[corn619]

All I see right now that looks good is MGS4,FF13, and versus.

While not all of these are for everyone, but these games are undeniably fun (or in the case that they haven't been released yet, look like they will be fun):

Uncharted
Uncharted 2
Little Big Planet
MGS4
Demon Souls
White Knight Chronicles
FF14
Killzone 2
Resistance
Resistance 2
Infamous
Valkyria Chronicles
Buzz
MLB The Show '09
Warhawk
God of War III
Heavenly Sword
Heavy Rain
MAG
Agent


Just to name a few, but more to your original point: I agree, 360 has definitely taken away from the PC market for sure. I keep thinking to myself, gee, I need a new computer, but then I look and there aren't any games that I would want to play that I can't experience on a console...

I can see in your signature that you do not own a 360, so I can understand your immediate bias. However, I certainly don't agree with it. I own a 360, Wii, and PS3. As for the consoles themselves, all three are fantastic in their own right. But I do dislike the PS3 the most. Why? Because of the fanboys. The PS3 has the loudest, most annoying fanboys I've ever seen for a console. They ruin for me what is an otherwise perfectly respectable gaming console. They make gaming sound like an elitist club where console specifications are all that matter, and games are superfluous. Yes, I'm well aware that every console has fanboys, but let me put it this way. If you had a room with 49 Wii fanboys, 49 360 fanboys, and 2 PS3 fanboys, the only one's you would be able to hear would be the PS3 fanboys.

You shouldn't judge a console based on its annoying fanbase. Maybe you should judge it on how much fun the games are and its build quality and design.

[Niode]

I don't get why people act like the PS3 is so far behind in sales VS the 360. The 360 has sold 31 million, and the PS3 23 million. Subtract 10 mil from the 360 for the RROD and the PS3 is probably winning. Plus its kicking ass over in Japan.

The 360 is awesome. Add 12 million sales because I feel like it and it's clear to see the 360 is twice as awesome as the PS3 is. Fact.


It's easy to just pull figures out of your ass and state them as fact.

Unfortunately the PS3 doesn't have enough quality titles available for it to justify the price. That's the reason why it isn't selling well.

Enderfall you list these as the best titles for PS3. Yet half of them you've never played, since they aren't even out yet. Here, I'll demonstrate. The ones in bold aren't available yet.

Uncharted
Uncharted 2
Little Big Planet
MGS4
Demon Souls
White Knight Chronicles
FF14
Killzone 2
Resistance
Resistance 2
Infamous
Valkyria Chronicles
Buzz <-tenuous, I think you're clutching at straws here.
MLB The Show '09 <-A sports game? It's not even exclusive to the PS3.
Warhawk
God of War III
Heavenly Sword <- received average, at best reviews from most major publications. I played it and thought it was, pretty but extremely shallow and pointless.
Heavy Rain
MAG
Agent

So that's 9 games worth playing on the PS3 that are exclusive? That's pretty abysmal. Especially considering the performance the previous Playstation consoles had in their first two years. It seems the best games that are worth your time are the PSN titles, such as PixelJunk series, Calling All Cars, Wipeout HD, Stardust HD, Trials Of Topoq. It's not the best use of £300 of gaming equipment though is it?

I'm not saying the 360 is any better but as far as the sheer amount of quality games it has, and considering that if you were only to play multi platform games (which look identical to their PS3 counterparts, and in some cases, IE Skate, play and look much better on 360) it would make most sense to go for the cheapest console. You can buy two 360's for the price of one PS3. So even if your console does RRoD after three years you are still in pocket.

To say that the PS3 is the better choice this generation is just blind consumerism. To show blind faith in a manufacturer because of 'brand loyalty' (especially one who has had a worse track record with build quality than Microsoft) is just obscene in this financial climate.

[the7k]

Well, I'll say that the PS3 was a better choice FOR ME PERSONALLY. That's really all it comes down to - what do YOU want?

I wanted free online gaming. Before you give me the whole "Oh, but PSN isn't as good as XBL!", I'll say bullshit. In all the time I've been playing BlazBlue, Unreal Tournament III, Resistance 1 & 2, Warhawk, Metal Gear Online, Burnout Paradise and Lord knows what else, I haven't had a single problem. As far as I'm concerned, it does what it is supposed to.

Plus, the whole "It's more expensive" deal goes out the window when you factor in the fact that online gaming is a must for me. If I wanted wanna use XBLA, I'd need to spend at least $300 to get a unit with a hard-drive, and if I plan to play my X360 for more than 2 years, I've already spent more on the X360 than I would for the PS3. I dunno about you, but I plan to play my next-gen systems for a lot longer than 2 years.

Even if you only go for the $200 model, then you'll only be gaming online for 4 years before you've spent as much on a 360 as on a PS3. That's not even taking into consideration the price of a X360 Wireless Network Adapter ($99) for those who have routers far from their gaming rooms, a X360-branded 120 GB hard-drive ($159) for when you quickly run out of space for those XBLA games and optional installs, and god knows what else.

All of this, of course, is conditional. If you don't care to download Castle Crashers and Rez HD, if you do have your router near your TV, if you don't care about spending more money over time for online gaming or flat-out don't care about online gaming at all, then maybe the X360 is right for you. It just wasn't right for me.

[dsheinem]

It's easy to just pull figures out of your ass and state them as fact.

Unfortunately the PS3 doesn't have enough quality titles available for it to justify the price.

I'm not saying the 360 is any better but as far as the sheer amount of quality games it has...

To say that the PS3 is the better choice this generation is just blind consumerism. To show blind faith in a manufacturer because of 'brand loyalty' (especially one who has had a worse track record with build quality than Microsoft) is just obscene in this financial climate.

Ok, so your "figures" about quality games aren't actual numbers. This doesn't make your argument any more valid than his.

Also, to compare the cheapest bare-bones 360 (no Wi-Fi, no cordless controller, no paid Live subscription, no hard drive, etc.) vs. the most expensive PS3 (when even the cheapest comes with Wi-Fi, free PSN access, and a wireless controller) is faulty reasoning. To bring "brand loyalty" into it is a straw man argument since that was never part of the claims made so far.

I'm really only here to critique your argument, though, not jump in. I personally chose the PS3 because it has more exclusive games that I prefer (most of the the 360 "exclusives" are only timed exclusives or also available on the PC). I don't really care who thinks that a console is better/worse - and don't understand those who do.

I will say, I have figured out this week that there are two camps on these forums: those who feel the need to give reasons why contemporary gaming sucks (mostly because it isn't enough like retro-gaming), and those who enjoy games both old and new (even if they have a preference for one or the other).

I'd like to say this divide makes for interesting debate, but most of it is mind-numbing.

[the7k]

I will say, I have figured out this week that there are two camps on these forums: those who feel the need to give reasons why contemporary gaming sucks (mostly because it isn't enough like retro-gaming), and those who enjoy games both old and new (even if they have a preference for one or the other).

The reason a lot of people think retro-gaming is better is because nostalgia has blinded them. They only remember the Chrono Triggers and the Streets of Rage 2s. They forget the Primal Rages, the Shaq Fus, the Home Improvements, the Rise of the Robots, the Deadly Towers, the Wayne's Worlds, the Bebe's Kids, the Pit Fighters - God knows, I could literally go on forever, and many of those games I actually owned at one point or another.