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Could do an epic, multi-man match with all of those guys. Lucha Underground did something cool once called "Six to Survive", an elimination match with world title implications. Check out this awesome clip:

<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrNiGLoMIws</span>

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EDIT: The above video shows how fun a world title scene featuring multiple people can be. They literally whittled down the world title contenders from 12 to 6. That's wild.

Yeah, something like that is awesome.

I don't think AEW does enough multi-man world title matches. I can understand why companies don't like to do them very often, as it kind of concentrates all your biggest stars into just one match and then it can make the rest of the card feel weaker. Plus people prefer one on one heater feuds, but I think they can be interesting.

WWE had some great ones in the year 2000, they had a lot of interconnected feuds, like that between Triple H and Mick Foley and the Rock at the start of the year, but then you also had Big Snow feuding with the Rock too. Then later you had The Rock continuing his feud with Triple H, but then you also had a love triangle angle between Kurt, Stephanie and Triple H. Then you had The Undertaker returning and later Stone Cold returned and you had Triple H, Rikishi, Stone Cold and The Rock all caught up in an angle revolving around Triple H and Rikishi running down Stone Cold the prior year.

AEW had something similar recently with Swerve, Hangman and Samoa Joe which was great.

I wouldn't mind them having another world title triple threat later this year or maybe even a fatal four way or even 5 or 6 man match. Hell, they could do another of those gauntlet battle royal things and have it be for the title.

Maybe Bryan Danielson could win the Owen Hart cup and face Swerve at All In, but then Ospreay manages to manoeuvre his way into getting added to the match.

I just remembered the 6 man hell in a cell match WWE did at Armageddon. Imagine something similar with Swerve, Ospreay, Danielson, MJF, Hangman and Okada. Now there's a title match!

I actually really enjoy matches featuring many people. They tend to be exciting, chaotic, and fast paced. We saw that with the Gauntlet last week. It's also fun seeing all of those personalities interact. They used to be some of my favorite matches in AEW back when their creative was a bit more focused, so it felt like it actually meant something when all of those people got in the ring with each other. Some people prefer 1 on 1 matches, but I tend to love the chaos that happens when you get a bunch of people in one match. I used to love a lot of AEW's tag matches too in its early years. They can get pretty wild too

Incidentally, that Six to Survive match was pretty awesome. There was even a 7th person who got involved, which further emphasizes how stacked the main event scene was at that time. Here's a cool highlights video, there's actually like three different ones on youtube but I went with this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMNj-J2SC9Q

I remember a lot of that cool stuff from WWE in 2000, fun times.

Bryan NEEDS to win the Owen Cup, I just want to see him win SOMETHING in AEW. I love how his promo on Dynamite acknowledged that his final year in wrestling hasn't gone quite as well as he'd hoped. He's finally ACKNOWLEDGING that he keeps losing.

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Oh, I forgot to mention, that Six to Survive match was a whole episode

That's EPIC!

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Bryan NEEDS to win the Owen Cup, I just want to see him win SOMETHING in AEW. I love how his promo on Dynamite acknowledged that his final year in wrestling hasn't gone quite as well as he'd hoped. He's finally ACKNOWLEDGING that he keeps losing.

I want to see that too. They added the stipulation that the winner will go on to headline All In and face Swerve or Ospreay for the title. I like that. It makes the Owen Cup actually feel important and makes it more interesting watching it play out.

I love multiman matches too. Especially when it adds to the unpredictability.

Oh, I forgot to mention, that Six to Survive match was a whole episode

That's EPIC!

Yeah, that's awesome. I loved how Lucha could do that sometimes and have a match be the whole episode. Episodes only being an hour long made it very easy to get into their show. They were very creative with what they had.

AEW should do something similar some time. As I said, they could do one of those gauntlets again but actually have it for the title and have it take up the entire second half of Dynamite. Maybe for a special episode.

I am just throwing random ideas out there, mostly because I think my main issue with AEW is it has become very formulaic, safe and predictable. That and it's random. By random, I mean what I was saying last week about the Acclaimed being the ones coming out to back up Christopher Daniels (and why is Christopher Daniels even an on-screen authority figure now?). They need to regain some focus and really demonstrate that their catchphrase "where the best wrestle" isn't just a catchphrase, by putting more time into making sure each week they put on incredible, unique matches.

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It's so weird seeing a thread on reddit angry about the Jericho segments on Dynamite, while another thread is raving about the cringe fest they did last night with Mariah, Toni, and Shirakawa. A few people even called it the best story line in AEW



I really do believe a good chunk of online wrestling fans are genuinely insane. I think fans just decide who they like and who they don't and don't care if what those people do is good or not. I saw people saying how embarrassed they'd be if someone walked in the room and saw them watching a Jericho Learning Tree segment, but apparently they'd have no problem being caught watching that Storm nonsense last night. For all the talk about how great it is that we've moved on from diva era WWE, people are loving the lesbian, boob, focused stuff Storm, Mariah, and Shirakawa are doing right now

This is LITERALLY the kind of stuff WWE did in the divas era, it's arguably even comparable to some of the stuff they did with women in the Attitude Era. All that's missing is Jerry Lawler yelling, "Puppies!!!" Don't get me wrong, I don't find this stuff offensive. I just think it's weird the double standards of online fans who hated this type of stuff when WWE did it years ago. Back then is was exploiting women, now it's "progressive". You look in those reddit threads surrounding this story line and it's a bunch of people acting like teenagers and getting excited because "boobs" and "lesbians"



This is all peak "sports entertainment"

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I think there's some truth in that about some wrestling fans online. I have seen quite a few people and pages praising the Jericho learning tree segments last night though. It's enough comments for it to surprise me, because up until last night all I saw was people shitting on it/Jericho.

It seems to be very divisive though. I have equally seen people say it's awful. Someone I saw even went as far as saying that Jericho will single handedly be responsible for WBD not renewing AEW's television contract this year (some wrestling fans sure love hyperbole).

Toni Storm is a weird one. I saw one person who was claiming to hate AEW and love WWE, saying that "Toni Storm is the only good thing about AEW"

Really? Really!?

I can understand people just not liking the promotion for whatever reason or not being able to look past its flaws, but of all the things to like, whether it's individuals like MJF or Ospreay, or the high quality matches or whatever, they pick Toni Storm!?

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I think there's some truth in that about some wrestling fans online. I have seen quite a few people and pages praising the Jericho learning tree segments last night though. It's enough comments for it to surprise me, because up until last night all I saw was people shitting on it/Jericho.

It seems to be very divisive though. I have equally seen people say it's awful. Someone I saw even went as far as saying that Jericho will single handedly be responsible for WBD not renewing AEW's television contract this year (some wrestling fans sure love hyperbole).

Toni Storm is a weird one. I saw one person who was claiming to hate AEW and love WWE, saying that "Toni Storm is the only good thing about AEW"

Really? Really!?

I can understand people just not liking the promotion for whatever reason or not being able to look past its flaws, but of all the things to like, whether it's individuals like MJF or Ospreay, or the high quality matches or whatever, they pick Toni Storm!?

It feels very WWE. I think she could have probably done this gimmick over there. The only difference is I don't think they would have put a world title on her. Actually, Storm's current gimmick would probably have been at home in NXT as that seems to be the more experimental brand

I like the Learning Tree stuff because I feel like Jericho evolved it this week. People say it's just him trolling the IWC, but I think he took it beyond that this week.

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What the hell Tony? All this time we could have been watching her kickass...instead we keep getting fed Toni Storm garbage

https://www.ringsidenews.com/2024/06/06 ... r-signing/



Honestly, I'd rather see Kamille debut and completely wreck Toni Storm than seeing Mina beat her at this point

Tony Kahn has also been not doing anything with Megan Bayne as well

This could be a banger if given enough time:

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Check out the awesome video package at the beginning of this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l01IL8QtL8A

and here's Roxanne Perez talking about the upcoming match

https://www.wwe.com/videos/roxanne-pere ... une-4-2024

TNA's youtube channel has footage of Jordynn's NXT appearance this week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO3yEqQeWSE

and lo and behold, as if I could see into the future when I mentioned this in a recent post, they've uploaded Roxanne Perez's ROH title match with Deonna Purrazzo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiYZBjuLnkQ

If AEW were actually fucking smart, they'd find a way to use this to give a rub to Deonna Purrazzo. Have her do a tweet on X about how she's already beaten Roxanne Perez AND Jordynne Grace in title matches, because she's "The Virtuosa". In fact, I don't know if Collision is a live show. If it is, I'd quickly work up a video package on Purrazzo's career and actually SHOW her beating Roxanne Perez for the Ring of Honor title, and Jordynne Grace for the TNA Knockouts title (more than once). Roxanne actually signed with NXT shortly after her ROH title loss to Purrazzo. Deonna Purrazzo effectively ended her Ring of Honor career.



TNA and WWE are promoting this beautifully. I actually want to watch Battleground. NXT is, once again, the best WWE product and I hear their ratings went up. Here's a great article promoting the show, mentioning Jordynne Grace and Shayna Bazler's accomplishments outside of WWE (even mentioning GCW's Bloodsport) and effectively pointing out that this is sort of a WWE/TNA/UFC pay per view with a a heavily promoted GCW style match, and I'll just add that it also is featuring a former AEW star competing for the world title. I can't believe I just typed all that Hell, I know she's injured, but I'd have Giulia and maybe one or two Marigold talents (like Utami Hayashista) simply make an appearance on the show to really make it feel like a mini-Forbidden Door pay per view.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/wwe/new ... 25ca6b007d







The only matches that I'm only mildly interested in are the tag title and men's North American title matches. The NXT tag champs can really go in the ring, but I don't know how impressive the OC will be. The best part of the OC was always AJ Styles. I'm not familiar enough with the men in the North American title match as a casual NXT viewer, but maybe both of these matches will be awesome. Six matches, enough for each of them to breathe and feel important. I love AEW pay per views...most of the time, but it'll be nice to watch something a bit shorter and less exhausting. Good variety here too. A tag match, a multi-man match, a singles match for both divisions, a spot fest stipulation match, and something that feels unique in an NXT Underground match. Even though GCW has done this tons of times it's still a fresh thing for WWE. You know TKO had to have been the ones pushing for former UFC fighter Shayna Bazler to be in an MMA style match. The Women's North American title match also makes this a historic NXT pay per view and guarantees that we will see a new NXT champion coming out of this show.

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What the hell Tony? All this time we could have been watching her kickass...instead we keep getting fed Toni Storm garbage

https://www.ringsidenews.com/2024/06/06 ... r-signing/



Honestly, I'd rather see Kamille debut and completely wreck Toni Storm than seeing Mina beat her at this point

Tony Kahn has also been not doing anything with Megan Bayne as well

This could be a banger if given enough time:

Is she actually signed with AEW? Has that been confirmed?

I am hesitant to believe anything Ringside News posts to be honest. They sensationalise a lot of stories and have been caught lying and making stuff up before.

If AEW were actually fucking smart, they'd find a way to use this to give a rub to Deonna Purrazzo. Have her do a tweet on X about how she's already beaten Roxanne Perez AND Jordynne Grace in title matches, because she's "The Virtuosa". In fact, I don't know if Collision is a live show. If it is, I'd quickly work up a video package on Purrazzo's career and actually SHOW her beating Roxanne Perez for the Ring of Honor title, and Jordynne Grace for the TNA Knockouts title (more than once). Roxanne actually signed with NXT shortly after her ROH title loss to Purrazzo. Deonna Purrazzo effectively ended her Ring of Honor career.

Yeah, they should do that! Collision is live most of the time, but occasionally is taped.

NXT Battleground should be interesting. And yeah, NXT's ratings went up. WWE's partnership with TNA is being handled way better than AEW and TNA's from a couple of years ago. I remember even thinking at the time "ok, so AEW send their guys to win TNA's title and what do TNA get out of this?"

If Tony/AEW was smart by the way, they would have hired Scott D'Amore and announced it on Dynamite as a surprise right as this TNA and WWE partnership started. WWE puts eyes on TNA and then AEW immediately moves some of those eyes over to them. "Wait a second, Anthem fired that guy and that guy IS TNA. He made that company what it was over the last few years."

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Well well welll... NXT's ratings have surged and are now nearly in line with AEW's. Know whose ratings haven't increased, like, at all? TNA's...