What are you playing?

Post by **harper** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:32 pm

Exhuminator wrote: A couple PS1 light gun shooters I recommend trying:

My personal favorite 1500 games:

Simple 1500 Series Vol. 10: The Billiard (JP) released in the USA as Billiards
Simple 1500 Series Vol. 28: The Dungeon RPG
Simple 1500 Series Vol. 50: The Billiard 2
Simple 1500 Series Vol. 53: The Helicopter released in the USA as RC Helicopter
Simple 1500 Series Vol. 68: The RC Car released in the USA as RC de GO!
Simple 1500 Series Vol. 69: The Putter Golf released in the USA as Putter Golf
Simple 1500 Series Vol. 70: The War Simulation - Nin no Tsukurishisha-tachi
Simple 1500 Series Vol. 89: The Power Shovel released in the USA as Power Shovel

I have all 3 you recommended. Haha I have the JP version of RE: Survivor specifically because it is compatible with the guncon. Horned owl felt a little too repetitive for me but I love and adore elemental gearbolt.

I have done some research on the 1500 series but haven't really found anything that stuck out to me quite as much as the one I mentioned. Also looked into the 2000(?) series for the PS2, some are downright hilariously awful, but it just adds to the charm. Haha

Post by **Exhuminator** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:53 pm

pierrot wrote:I was really just wondering if I'd be seriously missing out by skipping over Legends.

I think you'd be missing out. Mega Man Legends is a very charming and quite fun little action adventure. Also it's got the Bonne family in it, quite possibly the best antagonists ever. MML came out around the same time as Ocarina, but I much preferred it over Ocarina because I'm crazy and have terrible taste. At any rate, I recommend the PS1 version of it by hook or by crook.

harper wrote:Also looked into the 2000(?) series for the PS2, some are downright hilariously awful, but it just adds to the charm. Haha

There are some real gems in the Simple 2000 series. It's also a bit of a rabbit hole. If you ever feel like discussing the series let me know.

Website · Post by **BogusMeatFactory** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:20 pm

You don't have terrible tastes exhuminator, because mega man legends is legitimately an awesome game! It drips with character and that makes it all the more special

Post by **pierrot** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:43 pm

Exhuminator wrote:
pierrot wrote:I was really just wondering if I'd be seriously missing out by skipping over Legends.
I think you'd be missing out. Mega Man Legends is a very charming and quite fun little action adventure. Also it's got the Bonne family in it, quite possibly the best antagonists ever. MML came out around the same time as Ocarina, but I much preferred it over Ocarina because I'm crazy and have terrible taste. At any rate, I recommend the PS1 version of it by hook or by crook.

I should potentially do some rephrasing: I'm interested in playing Legends, I'm just wondering if I would be losing out at all by playing Tron Bonne before Legends. Conversely, might the experience of Tron Bonne be dramatically enhanced by playing Legends first? Those are really the things I'm wondering.

Post by **harper** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:48 pm

Exhuminator wrote:
pierrot wrote:I was really just wondering if I'd be seriously missing out by skipping over Legends.
I think you'd be missing out. Mega Man Legends is a very charming and quite fun little action adventure. Also it's got the Bonne family in it, quite possibly the best antagonists ever. MML came out around the same time as Ocarina, but I much preferred it over Ocarina because I'm crazy and have terrible taste. At any rate, I recommend the PS1 version of it by hook or by crook.
harper wrote:Also looked into the 2000(?) series for the PS2, some are downright hilariously awful, but it just adds to the charm. Haha
There are some real gems in the Simple 2000 series. It's also a bit of a rabbit hole. If you ever feel like discussing the series let me know.

I remember watching a video about sniper 2 which was a compilation of all the cutscenes and it was hilariously bad. My favorite part was *cue permanent graphics downgrade" but either way. Totally down to learn more about this rabbit hole of a collection of games.

Post by **Exhuminator** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:40 pm

pierrot wrote:I'm just wondering if I would be losing out at all by playing Tron Bonne before Legends. Conversely, might the experience of Tron Bonne be dramatically enhanced by playing Legends first? Those are really the things I'm wondering.

From a pure plot perspective, The Misadventures of Tron Bonne takes place before the events of Mega Man Legends. So it's a prequel technically. However one might not appreciate Tron Bonne's antics (and her fellow Bonnes) as much if one hadn't played Mega Man Legends first. So I think the best order is Mega Man Legends, next The Misadventures of Tron Bonne, and then Mega Man Legends 2. And MML is rather short, you could knock it out in a weekend easy.

harper wrote:Totally down to learn more about this rabbit hole of a collection of games.

I'll just tell you the 2000 series games I like, but there's so many I'll have to spoiler it. Anything that says "AKA" means that the game was released either in Europe (most likely) or USA (sometimes). This is a lot of stuff, but it's not even half of the 2000 series. The 2000 series is legion:

Good times.

HLTB · Post by **Xeogred** » Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:17 pm

Started this bad boy last night.

Might never play it again, who knows.

I never feel bad about $5 Steam purchases though. I was able to confirm my suspicions and see what this is for myself. I didn't even look too into it after its disastrous release and scores. But, I never really had faith in Mighty No 9 to be honest. People forget Inafune is a producer and not a designer. Shovel Knight already came out and filled that Mega Man void tenfold.

Jumping into this after Mega Man Legacy Collection 2, Rockman & Forte, Legends 1-2, and Sonic Mania was asking for disappointment, but yeah. That's the thing, there are just simply better options out there. There seems to be some heart in this, the music is fine, I like the character designs, but the 2.5D style is ass, the voice acting atrocious, and it's just awkward incarnate. Beck looks cool... until he talked. "Dr White" didn't even get a chuckle from me.

I dunno, it's... fine. But I'm not really interested in average right now.

Sonic Mania is very important because it resets that bar even higher. We're now beyond the era of the 2D reinsurance and laziness shouldn't be tolerated anymore. Even Nintendo can no longer be lazy with their half assed New Super Mario Bros series. It's time for a new art style and for everyone to step up their game big time.

I'm sure Bloodstained will still rock.

Post by **PartridgeSenpai** » Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:55 pm

Xeogred wrote: Even Nintendo can no longer be lazy with their half assed New Super Mario Bros series. It's time for a new art style and for everyone to step up their game big time.

I mean, I thought NSMBU is one of the best 2D Mario games Nintendo has ever made. Up there with Super Mario World and SMB3. Not quite as great as Rayman Legends, SM3DW, or Yoshi Woolly World, but those are like some of the all-time greats ever. There's a lot of stiff competition for A+ platformers on Wii U! I've never played one I didn't like, but I haven't played the 2nd 3DS one, so perhaps that one isn't so great. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I've been going more into Youkai Watch Busters, and it's game like this that make me wish I had a Japanese NEW 3DS. This game runs like ass. Framerate tanks all the damn time in battles on the open world, especially if you're fighting more than one enemy at a time. They really should've made new maps for this. The original Youkai Watch maps weren't meant to be able to handle this level of animation on the screen at one time for how graphically impressive they already were (Pokemon S/M has similar problems). It doesn't make the game unplayable, as the game ain't really that hard so far, but it's a very frequent annoyance, and the game came out recently enough that I think playing it on the N3DS' processor would give it the boost it needs not to drag as badly during these scenes. I ain't about to shell out $100+ for another Japanese 3DS though, so I will persevere through the lagginess.

My other main comment is that the game has given me very little incentive to use anything but the starting cast. You start out with a full team of an attacker, tank, healer, and ranger. Anyone else you find shifts up the formula a little bit, but the guys you start with are pretty damn well focused into their jobs. They're also actually present in the story (at least a little), where anyone you'd recruit is not. Everyone in the main cast can also evolve, so there's just one more incentive to stick with them. I don't even feel compelled to use mah boi Komasan, becasue even though he's the titular character of this version, he's split between special and normal attack, where Jibanyan (the attacker you start with) is entirely attack-focused, and can therefore be more efficiently min-maxed. This is an interesting concept for a game, but as it exists in the engine and universe from which it's spun-off from, it has a lot of strange design problems that feel fairly redundant and unnecessary. Luckily it doesn't hurt the main game much to have a well-balanced team from the start.

Good point though: The helper AI is very smart! They follow you very well, teleport back to you when you outrun them, and are very good at fulfilling their roles when enemies attack. Very good for the experience that you don't NEED 3 friends to play the game with to still have fun with it

HLTB · Post by **Xeogred** » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:59 pm

NSMBU is the only one I beat, it's pretty solid. I liked the Luigi expansion too. But I think Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze is a lot better personally, for a modern Nintendo sidescroller comparison.

Post by **PartridgeSenpai** » Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:57 am

Xeogred wrote:NSMBU is the only one I beat, it's pretty solid. I liked the Luigi expansion too. But I think Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze is a lot better personally, for a modern Nintendo sidescroller comparison.

Brooooooo

Have you NOT played the majesty that is Woolly World!?!?!? You freakin' goooootta if you love 2D platformers. One of their best ever, and that is not an exaggeration.

DKCRTF (which is just such a pleasant acronym, innit?

) has been kiiinda coloured negatively for me with how poorly done the co-op felt at times. Granted the Mario games have the same problem in spades (or at least they did until SM3DW), but I didn't play through NSMBU with a friend, so I don't have that experience. DKCR's camera in the first game ALWAYS stayed centered on Donkey Kong, for better or worse. The sequel' camera is constantly trying to find a happy medium between the two of you and it makes the game far less predictable and far less easy to play. That aside though, I just think the more maneuverable Mario makes for a much better feeling platforming experience than Donkey Kong. I still quite like Tropical Freeze, but it doesn't outpace Mario U in my book.

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