World is Falling Apart Thread (Locked forever)

[MrPopo]

I have mixed feelings on Pro Choice vs Pro Life. For Rape victims yes allow abortions, but for the stupid no, take responsibility for your wrong choice at the conception. For those who want choice, choose to pay it yourself.

So you'd prefer for children to be raised in an environment where they aren't wanted and the so-called parents are unprepared both mentally and possibly financially?

[prfsnl_gmr]

Well he did bring up great points such as risk of Martial Law due to the anarchy and Planned Parenthood is a Racist Organization.

I watched both videos. Neither of them offer "great" points. In fact, "Big Joe" asserts, among other things, that:

* Protests against Donald Trump are un-American.

* If you don't like Donald Trump, you should leave the United States. ("If you don't like it, you can get out!")

* That Democrats are/were engaged in a nationwide conspiracy to turn people against each other so that they can impose martial law. (Do you really believe this, CRT?!)

* That a basic education makes you less likely to engage in critical evaluation of media.

* That, if people continue to protest, Donald Trump will be justified in imposing martial law and declaring himself a dictator. (Do you believe this too, CRT?!)

"Big Joe" demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of many, many topics, a tenuous grasp on reality, and a susceptibility to conspiracy logic. (Basically, he's crazy.) He is aggressively ignorant; he makes no good points, much less "great" ones; and you would be better served looking to a pre-schooler for nuanced direction on public policy.

I hope that helps.

[Sarge]

I have mixed feelings on Pro Choice vs Pro Life. For Rape victims yes allow abortions, but for the stupid no, take responsibility for your wrong choice at the conception. For those who want choice, choose to pay it yourself.

So you'd prefer for children to be raised in an environment where they aren't wanted and the so-called parents are unprepared both mentally and possibly financially?

In my case, I would prefer if they do not want the kids, and cannot adequately parent, that they give them up for adoption. As such, I think there need to be major changes in the adoption system to make it easier for parents that want children to be able to adopt. I have several friends that had to jump through a ridiculous number of hoops to even be considered, while children languish in the foster system.

Of course, I also have some sympathies for CRT's view on this, and that's that those that have children need to grow up. I don't know if anyone is truly prepared for parenthood. And no, I don't have kids, but I've talked with enough married folks to know that there are significant challenges they were never ready for.

[Blu]

I would all be for this Sarge, adoption I hear is quite challenging to go through the hurdles, both domestically and internationally. I would also like to ensure that sexuality does not influence the process, as same-sex parenting =/= pedophilia. However, that's the fearmongering narrative that tends to get driven forward when same-sex parents are involved. It really needs to stop.

That and allowing for educational methods in schools around sex education that don't limit the conversation to abstinence-only. There is power in knowledge. However, it seems on any type of deal, it's all-or-nothing on this issue, thus barring any sort of meaningful change to move us forward.

Additionally, birth control should not be a controversial topic when it's so effective, along with the HPV vaccine at how well they work for preventative health.

[CRTGAMER]

I have mixed feelings on Pro Choice vs Pro Life. For Rape victims yes allow abortions, but for the stupid no, take responsibility for your wrong choice at the conception. For those who want choice, choose to pay it yourself.

So you'd prefer for children to be raised in an environment where they aren't wanted and the so-called parents are unprepared both mentally and possibly financially?

It is a tough call on what is the right thing to do, certainly not the baby's fault who did not have a choice. Will the new born be neglected or will there will be a connection once born? Most mothers tend to do whatever they have to take care of the kids. Which brings the proposed law below that I read a few days back. I feel it falls in line with why some think the Death Penalty should be outlawed (I am for Death Penalty); what if the accused was not the criminal? In the case below, what if a potential mother regretted the abortion? Obvious the law proposal is designed to prevent the Pro Choice, but makes one think of the regret years later.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/bill ... s-44839460

Bill Would Let Women Sue Doctors Who Perform Their Abortions
Iowa lawmakers are considering a bill that would allow a woman who gets an abortion to sue the doctor who performed the procedure if she experiences emotional distress later. If approved, it would be the first law of its kind in the U.S.

The proposal, which was endorsed Tuesday by a GOP-led three-member panel of lawmakers, would permit the woman to file a lawsuit at any point in her life, something that goes against typical statute of limitation rules. It could also make the state vulnerable to costly court challenges.

Well he did bring up great points such as risk of Martial Law due to the anarchy and Planned Parenthood is a Racist Organization.

I watched both videos. Neither of them offer "great" points. In fact, "Big Joe" asserts, among other things, that:

* Protests against Donald Trump are un-American.

* If you don't like Donald Trump, you should leave the United States. ("If you don't like it, you can get out!")

* That Democrats are/were engaged in a nationwide conspiracy to turn people against each other so that they can impose martial law. (Do you really believe this, CRT?!)

* That a basic education makes you less likely to engage in critical evaluation of media.

* That, if people continue to protest, Donald Trump will be justified in imposing martial law and declaring himself a dictator. (Do you believe this too, CRT?!)

"Big Joe" demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of many, many topics, a tenuous grasp on reality, and a susceptibility to conspiracy logic. (Basically, he's crazy.) He is aggressively ignorant; he makes no good points, much less "great" ones; and you would be better served looking to a pre-schooler for nuanced direction on public policy.

I hope that helps.

Thank you! That is all I ask an intelligent counter point instead of just emotional attack nonsense.

It is American to speak your voice, though I do wonder why there is no effort to open mind see what our President will do. Protest if you do not like the results of some law or event, not just ASSUMING President Trump will automatically screw up. Big Joe was bringing that point that he just got elected. I could care less for all the rhetoric, the results in the President's ACTIONS are what matters in the end. Look at what all has already been done. Good or bad on which policies you like or hate, he has already completed more campaign promises in less then a week then the last few decades!

As to the Martial Law and Conspiracy. The protests though a little nuts at times destroying private property, will have to be completely out of control to instill Martial Law. As to the conspiracy again not Martial Law, but yes Democrats and Main Stream Media collusion are the conspiracy. In addition, George Soros has funded so many against the President events; "banks" to getting close to treason.

[Jmustang1968]

I have never heard of the pedophilia thing for same sex couples and adoption. I think the resistance to that is the fear of the ridicule the child may face from other kids and the fear that having gay parents will in turn encourage the child to be gay.

[Blu]

I have never heard of the pedophilia thing for same sex couples and adoption. I think the resistance to that is the fear of the ridicule the child may face from other kids and the fear that having gay parents will in turn encourage the child to be gay.

Really? http://equalitymatters.org/blog/201307030003

It's a pretty strong conservative talking point when LGBTQ issues around marriage and the family are concerned.

[Jmustang1968]

Yeah, first I've heard of that.

[MrPopo]

I have mixed feelings on Pro Choice vs Pro Life. For Rape victims yes allow abortions, but for the stupid no, take responsibility for your wrong choice at the conception. For those who want choice, choose to pay it yourself.

So you'd prefer for children to be raised in an environment where they aren't wanted and the so-called parents are unprepared both mentally and possibly financially?

In my case, I would prefer if they do not want the kids, and cannot adequately parent, that they give them up for adoption. As such, I think there need to be major changes in the adoption system to make it easier for parents that want children to be able to adopt. I have several friends that had to jump through a ridiculous number of hoops to even be considered, while children languish in the foster system.

I am 100% behind you on this. Adoption is a great alternative for someone who is not ready to be a parent. Unfortunately, as you mentioned there's problems with the general system. Also, anecdotally I have heard many women who are contemplating abortion that their two options are either abortion or keeping the baby for themselves; when point blank asked about why not adoption they fall back onto an explanation of "I just couldn't give the kid up at that point."

Of course, I also have some sympathies for CRT's view on this, and that's that those that have children need to grow up. I don't know if anyone is truly prepared for parenthood. And no, I don't have kids, but I've talked with enough married folks to know that there are significant challenges they were never ready for.

And I agree with you here that no one is ever REALLY prepared for parenthood. But there's a huge difference between the mid-late-20's couple who are financially secure and thinking about having their first baby and the 16 year old who was too caught up in the moment and forgot to use a condom.

[ZeroAX]

Sigh, CRTGamer if only you would bother doing actual research.

Many of the cut programs were not just offering abortions, they were focusing on bringing contraceptives to 3rd world countries.

This helped:

1) With the reduction of diseases, like aids, that is a global concern

2) reduction in population growth, which means less of the planet's resources are going to be consumed, which again is a global concern

3) and especially for haters like the Orange toddler's apologetics, the reduction in population growth means less immigration from 3rd world countries into richer ones.
even people from poor countries are less likely to emigrate if they have a chance at some kind of decent life in their country. The reduced population growth means poor countries don't have to create as many jobs just to keep up with their population growth.


Of course if you ever read anything about those programs you would understand why it's important to keep supporting them, even for selfish reasons.