World is Falling Apart Thread (Locked forever)

[CRTGAMER]

Claiming that a recount is a scam is - in my view - more damaging to the integrity of democratic representation than any Russian hacking. Am I going to tell my students that they're just trying to cheat their way to better grades when they ask me to double check a test I graded to make sure I didn't make a mistake? Of course not; I'm going to look at it and make sure I didn't make a mistake.

The Russian "Hacking" is overblown, anyone can post a website and data on the Internet. Oh surprise, the whole world can communicate good and bad things to each other. Yes, it is not ethical, and No, the voting machines were never hacked. A study of how the votes are "hacked" includes all the media influences and even your next door neighbor. I believe in most of the voters were not indoctrinated and still have FREE WILL to decide their President. The votes showed that with over two million favoring Clinton, focus on the Electoral College you stupid TV Media!

I look at the recount in a couple of different ways.

1. A recount completed; does that make the second go around any more honest a tally? Look at what happened to Bush with his brother Jeb running Florida and just over 500 votes in Florida decided his Presidency!

2. Jill Stein proved nothing, brought herself some more media coverage for her own agenda as well as pocketing the millions. At one percent of the vote she was in no place to challenge. Already known that voting machines are not hacked, yet media pressure forced the recount in Wisconsin. The donation money trail should be investigated, taxed as income and prosecuted when found not used as the donators were misled.

Still waiting on your Personal Thoughts on the Electoral College after stating you are against it.

"3.4 million dollars for the recount, 131 gained shows every vote counts."

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@ Blu - Agree on the Education Cabinet pick not ideal, Charter Schools are crap. If Tax funds involved, the schools should follow State guidelines. As to the rest of the cabinet, Trump is going by the smartest and successful people. There is a reason why they are so filthy rich, they are ruthless and make things happen. Tillerson when stepping down from Exxon CEO as Secretary of State knows and is known by many country heads of state already. As in Secretary State Clinton, just a communicator to the world and not setting the Nations policy.

Many (though not all) of the picks are true outsiders of the decades old same tired political machine, so a good thing. I especially applaud the EPA choice, falls right in line of getting rid of all the regulation bureaucracy. Progress will now happen without waiting years for yet another costly environmental study from an overblown section of Government. Same with the Labor pick, $15.00 an hour for any start position job the reason why companies want to move to another country.

Trump keen on the Internet feeds including Twitter, C-Span Camera, YouTube so much quicker and up to date for the 40 million views world to dissect. Outstanding job deals with DOW Chemical and the Japanese Verizon/Apple Holdings and not even President yet! Great changes on the way, a Press Conference certainly not needed by one who is not even leading the country yet. Trump should dump the News Media permanently and keep the communication direct to the people. Just in his Twitter, there are so many thousands of responses, every once in a while Trump will give a complete stranger a direct reply.

Trump on TV again tonight 7pm Central Time on Fox News Channel. He will present his agenda in his DIRECT way to the public without the mainstream media giving us their bias take in the middle of the speech. Take it in, reject parts or all; speech complete without cuts. Love it!

At the speech: "Offered five cents on the dollar for the canceled fireworks."

Watch the C-Span Camera tomorrow for the Tech Conference arrivals, you think Trump is already President!

[marurun]

Wow, you really drink up that Kool-Aid. If you are trolling, please just stop. If you really believe everything you type, well, sorry CRT, but I don't think I can really discuss the issues meaningfully with you. You hold a few views that strike me as simply being in stark contrast with reality. I really am not sure where to go except to attempt to correct the most egregious of your misrepresentations of facts.

[MrPopo]

It always weirds me out a little bit that developed countries - like Canada, the UK, Germany, etc. - do not have the freedom of speech protections that we enjoy so much here in the US.

I think Germany has some very reasonable reasons to be a bit worried about carte blanch free speech.

[CRTGAMER]

Wow, you really drink up that Kool-Aid. If you are trolling, please just stop. If you really believe everything you type, well, sorry CRT, but I don't think I can really discuss the issues meaningfully with you. You hold a few views that strike me as simply being in stark contrast with reality. I really am not sure where to go except to attempt to correct the most egregious of your misrepresentations of facts.

Never trolling, I hope no one takes it that way. No, I do not drink Kool-Aid, just spiked up on number 5 Seattle's Best in the mornings and Captain Morgans Rum on the weekends.

I am just posting my take on the Election on what I feel strong about and enjoy this kind of discussion reading opposing views taking it all in. Here's the thing, there is no reason for anyone to get angry in this Thread, emphasized by the new thread Title. Participate in the Banter, respect without need of agreeing or judging an individual's views. No need to attempt to "correct" change a persons take, just bring in rebuttals or ignore the Thread.

It is just so ironic how the News Media raises the flag of Russian hacking trying to throw the election, yet Clinton won by over 2 million votes. In spite of that, other then Fox News confronting interviews of three Electors, only mention of Electoral College is the Russian Hacking influence. Where is the deep investigative reporting that Electors have no accountability and do not have to answer to anyone; can vote whomever they like?! A 500 dollar fine in just some states if deferring from their pledged party (also wrong) and many states no penalty at all when not listening to the will of the people.

No thoughts on how Bush got elected with his brother's State holding the 500 vote recount? This of course on top of having less actual votes, the 500 pushing the Electoral to his favor! Bring on the Banter and Keep It Civil!

[dsheinem]

CRT, you do realize that it is the CIA and not the "news media" that has been raising Russian election inluence concerns (including, but not limited to, hacking), right? Aren't you bothered that Trump isn't going to take daily briefings and that he seems to not trust US intelligence officials? Don't you think his comments about Taiwan could potentially be interpreted as a provocation?

How much evidence (and of what kind) would it take for you to agree that Trump's ignorance on foregn affairs (and their link to national security) is both significant and worrisome? I've not been more scared of a nuclear attack since the Cold War, and I fear he's just getting started...

[Sarge]

Depends on which one you want to listen to. The FBI was much more equivocal than the CIA about the attacks.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/11/politics/ ... index.html

[marurun]

Depends on which one you want to listen to. The FBI was much more equivocal than the CIA about the attacks.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/11/politics/ ... index.html

The FBI has merely said that they aren't quite as convinced as the CIA. It revolved around whether the GOP/RNC was hacked or not. The CIA thinks the GOP/RNC was compromised and their information deliberately not leaked, while the DNC info was leaked. The FBI isn't certain the RNC was hacked. The CIA has always had a slightly better handle on electronic intelligence, though. The FBI ended up paying someone, what, a million bucks to hack an iPhone 5c WITHOUT actually getting the knowledge to do it themselves? I think the CIA could have pulled that hack off, and the CIA is more closely linked to US intelligence malware in the field.

So while I do have issues sometimes with CIA partisanship and ethics (like how they ultimately folded to Bush's interests in Iraq and participated in torture), I don't doubt their capabilities. And the FBI can be just as partisan as the CIA. Look at the reporting about how the FBI New York office was hostile to Clinton and leaked information to the Trump campaign and news outlets, forcing Comey to inappropriately publicly share potentially misleading information about investigating Anthony Weiner's emails in relation to Clinton.

[Sarge]

My takeaway from this is that both organizations can be partisan when they want to be. Which isn't surprising, of course.

[Blu]

"Flynn called on Clinton to drop out of the race for putting 'our nation’s security at extremely high risk with her careless use of a private email server.' He egged on the partisan crowd in chants of 'lock her up,' adding: 'If I, a guy who knows this business, if I did a tenth, a tenth of what she did, I would be in jail today.'"

"If it were me, I would have been out the door and probably in jail," said Flynn, who decried what he said was a "lack of accountability, frankly, in a person who should have been much more responsible in her actions as the secretary of state of the United States of America."

What mental gymnastics will folks need to get through to justify tapped National Security Adviser's actions with regards to sensitive information? He extended a personal, unsecure line to the internet in the Pentagon. And he allegedly shared information with foreign military officials in Afghanistan, although not authorized.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 8bea04eae3

Let me make this clear (Clinton and Flynn): Neither instance is a good look. Neither are responsible courses of actions. There are ethical and legal implications. However, you are plainly put: a hypocrite, if you do not see the equivalence here and are willing to give Flynn the benefit of the doubt but also decry Hillary for the same pretenses. He should not be the National Security Adviser. 1) because of this incident. 2) because of his inflammatory hateful rhetorical that concerns his perception of Muslims.

An aside:

All of his cabinet picks feel like they've been at the whim, with little foresight or reflection. I think it became evident when Trump inquired about keeping Obama's staffers. This is a real dog and pony show that demonstrates his transition hasn't been thought out in the slightest. It will be interesting to see the pressure put on: his cabinet picks, his conflicts of interests, his involvement in the Russian influence (complaisant or colluding), and his revocation of press credentials.

[CRTGAMER]

CRT, you do realize that it is the CIA and not the "news media" that has been raising Russian election inluence concerns (including, but not limited to, hacking), right? Aren't you bothered that Trump isn't going to take daily briefings and that he seems to not trust US intelligence officials? Don't you think his comments about Taiwan could potentially be interpreted as a provocation?

How much evidence (and of what kind) would it take for you to agree that Trump's ignorance on foregn affairs (and their link to national security) is both significant and worrisome? I've not been more scared of a nuclear attack since the Cold War, and I fear he's just getting started...

As mentioned by Sarge, the CIA and FBI cannot even decide what if any EVIDENCE was found. Of course the Democrats will side with the CIA just as Republicans will side with the FBI; anything to push their own agenda. Bottom line is even if Hacking proven to be found, they are just Internet posts and more then just one accused country are trying to sway the election! This echos the false red scare McCarthyism hearings of the 50s. Were people indoctrinated not to vote for Clinton and had no Free Will to decide? Lets start blaming anything such as TV Interviews, Political rallies and Campaign Ads as unjust influence. Actually I wouldn't mind if the TV Ads and the Campaign Phone Calls did go away.

Over two million favoring Clinton, focus on the Electoral College you stupid TV Media!
My complaint is how Congress and the News Media drivels on Russian Hacking causing Trump to win, even with Clinton clearing over two million more actual votes! Russian Hacking or Electoral College Corruption, where should the true focus be? Democrats pushing the Russia Influence Briefing on the Electors; now there is a case of reverse influence irony.

Five days to go for the 538 Electoral Elite to decide the President!

Hello Taiwan, can you hear me now?
Most Countries do not want Nuclear Suicide. Yes there are radicals, but in the case of China they have too much "invested" in the American Consumer. Trump taking the bold step of that simple phone call from Taiwan. A tiny Democratic Island Country surrounded by huge Communist lands certainly should be recognized officially and not the callus way the U.S has done for decades. We sell all the weapons to Taiwan to keep Democracy there while hiding our heads in the sand.

Trump is not even President yet, Security Briefings still belong to President Obama! Once Trump is in office, there will be the daily briefings he will of course need to do. For now Trump's agenda is getting daily input from more then Government officials at the Trump Tower. Curious what happened in the Tech briefing today. It will be a different government with the new President communicating directly to the people.

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Thank you Wisconsin! My Administration will be focused on three very important words: jobs, jobs, jobs!

Bill Gates and Jim Brown in my Trump Tower office yesterday- two great guys!