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o.pwuaioc wrote:There were three periods in the last 100 years when there was a Republican president and Republican Congress. The last time was under George W. Bush. There were two brief years under Eisenhower, and a total of fourteen years leading up to the Great Depression. Surely it's no surprise that after a long period of Republicans controlling both Congress and the Presidency we have massive debt and a terrible economy.

And for those irked at the anti-Trump fearmongering, I'll wager you didn't say much when Republicans day and night attacked Obama, calling him Hitler, Satan, Kenyan, dictator, and what have you, for eight years straight.

You might pretend to be all high and mighty, but the hypocrisy you exude reeks.
You mean that same Republican majority that promoted and passed the 19th Amendment? Some horrible guys those were...

I thought all that crazy Obama hate was silly then as well. And it seems every president candidate is called the next Hitler, par for the course now. And I am not even a Republican, I'd think I am a bit objective on this.
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o.pwuaioc wrote:You might pretend to be all high and mighty, but the hypocrisy you exude reeks.
I'm not sure who you are targeting with this unnecessarily inflammatory statement. I can't recall any Trump voters in this thread acting high and mighty since the election, other than maybe the dude that got banned, and mjmjr25 when he was mad at Dsh.

(And speaking personally, I am not a Republican. I'm an Independent.)

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Totally agree with you on the environment stuff Exhum. While it looks bleak right now, pulling out of the Paris agreement and dismantling the EPA will only be major steps backward. I think the US can, and should be a leader on this issue.
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I didn't like Bush, but I didn't call him anything but a bad president and dishonest, and only after he gave me in-office reasons to do so. Oh, I did also call him inarticulate and an idiot, but time has proven only the former truly correct. He isn't dumb, he just sounds that way.
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I do know that Trump promised a lot to the people who voted him in, and if he doesn't deliver, they'll be the 1st ones to want him thrown out on his ass.
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Exhuminator wrote:
jp1 wrote:If you had the opportunity to hire an employee who you felt was qualified to fill a position in a company you were running and he came to the interview saying all the things Trump has said, had pending charges for the things Trump has had charges for, and told you that he would not leave your office unless you hired him. Would he get a job from you?
I don't find this analogy to be parallel to the actual situation for a variety of reasons, so I'm not going to entertain it. If you want to know why I voted for Trump, go back a few pages and you'll find what I said.
Certainly it isn't parallel to the actual situation. It's much less important, which is why I asked in such context.

I looked some forty pages back and never found a clear concise statement from you about why you voted for Trump. Unless doing it because Hillary called some folks "deplorables" or because America has been leaning hard left for a while are reasons.

As far as energy is concerned the more progressive European nations have already made a push in that direction. We don't seem willing to follow. Since oil is so immensely important in the real estate business I wonder if Trump has a vested interest in holding that progress back even more?

@Sarge, no I do not agree with every single thing Hillary has said. However if she had said any of the already discussed topics that Trump repeatedly spewed forth, even once, I would not have voted for her. I will never put my endorsement behind a man or woman that represents those ideals...no matter what else they represent.

How many people have to be tortured, harassed, or killed before it seems like it wasn't worth it giving this man so much power? I'm not pointing a finger of blame, you couldn't have possibly known the outcome or how badly people would react. I'm asking when do you, at any point, feel like enough is enough?

If Trump were any sort of leader, or human being really, he would have been on television already imploring these people to stop doing this horrible crap in his name. Better yet, he would threaten to step down if it didn't cease immediately. If he gave one iota of a shit about anyone in this country besides himself. Every day he does or says nothing another American is beat, mistreated, or possibly murdered, with "Trump" stamped right beside it so everyone knows why.

Like it or not, the implication that your vote was some small part of the fifty million other votes that emboldened these acts of hate puts some of that weight on your shoulders. At least, in my opinion, it should. That's what I can't understand, the laissez-faire attitude about not being held accountable in any way for what is happening. You heard what he said, you made your decision (hopefully in spite of that), and now the consequences of it are coming to fruition and you just shrug your shoulders? This is human life we are talking about here. Not some matter of boosting the economy so people can afford a better television. Because, let's face it, the extremely poor will not benefit in the least from a Trump administration...if they survive it at all.
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Has Sec. Clinton said anything about the riots? Just wondering.
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I really don't understand how the despicable acts of some bad individuals falls upon the shoulders of everyone. Those people chose to perpetrate those acts. I think there should be some kind of light shed upon it, but it honestly is the burden of individuals to conduct themselves as decent human beings. To say that an entire group is responsible is a very broad, damning statement.
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Sarge wrote:Has Sec. Clinton said anything about the riots? Just wondering.
Not that Ive heard. I dont think she incited them either though. In any case it isn't a competition. Why not just answer my question?
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foxhound1022 wrote:I really don't understand how the despicable acts of some bad individuals falls upon the shoulders of everyone. Those people chose to perpetrate those acts. I think there should be some kind of light shed upon it, but it honestly is the burden of individuals to conduct themselves as decent human beings. To say that an entire group is responsible is a very broad, damning statement.
So, in your view if I support a person who advocates hate when that hate is perpetuated in the actions of people under the name of said person, I share no ownership of it?

Voter responsibility ends at the ballot?
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