Anybody else excited about The Watchmen?

[Mozgus]

So I finished the Watchmen motion comic. Yeah, motion comic. I didn't have the attention span required for the real thing. Needed it read to me.

Anyways, the collective internet has disgusted me when it comes to this movie. Copy-paste from my evil avatar rant:

The Watchmen comic was just good. The Watchmen movie was just good. It also happens to be by far the most authentic comic book movie adaptation of all time, and all the little nerds who are butthurt over the 5% that was changed (most of it for the better, yes you heard me, fuck your exploding alien squid) can go eat a dick. I am so sick of the nerd community acting like a bunch of babies.

The Watchmen movie is a good adaptation. If you didn't like it, then surprise, you also didn't like the comic. They did a great, GREAT job given the source material. This is no where close to the atrocities such as DareDevil, the late 90's Batmans, Fantastic Four, etc. Quit your bitching, you fucking nerds.

[jamesesdad]

Ok first of all your opinion on the comic is completely worthless. You watched the fucking awful motion comic which doesn't count as reading the book at all. You had it read to you by one man reading the voice of both male and female characters. I can understand maybe having a book read to you, but this is a graphic novel, you are meant to scan the page, read over it, and take in all the visual information, not have it forced down your throat with cheesy voice overs. Even on my third read through of the book I was finding new things about the story I missed on the first 2 read throughs, so don't try and act like you have a complete understanding of the story because you were too lazy to read it, and had to watch a 'motion comic'.

Second of all the movie was only a fair adaptation of the comics. The only people who could be considered super powered in the comic were dr manhattan and veidt. Everyone in the movie had super power ass kicking kung fu power, it was bullshit, and never explained. This film was far from the most authentic comic to movie translation. That honor goes to Sin City which essentially used the comic panels as story boards. That film was excellent, and only once as far as I could tell strayed from the comic, the actors all did an excellent job portraying their characters, something I felt all but 2 of the actors in watchmen completely failed at.

"The Watchmen movie is a good adaptation. If you didn't like it, then surprise, you also didn't like the comic." Wrong, I didn't like the movie because of A) Bad acting B) Inappropriate and cheesy music selections and C) Pacing was completely off. The squid thing being changed at the end didn't bother me, it just didn't really make sense to me the way it happened. I actually think this is a better adaptation than 300, but I still think it falls far short of the source material its based on. I know lots of people say this, but I have to agree, watchmen is one of the best graphic novels of all time. It was the first comic I had read in years when I first picked it up in highschool and really showed me that comics could offer so much more than just typical hero stories.

Another thing to mention is you had your opinion of the comic tainted by the movie which you saw first, You knew what to expect with the story, . just like all the fanboys had their opinion of the movie 'tainted' by the excellent graphic novel. It's near impossible to have a unbiased opinion on something like this when its based of material that is considered such holy grounds.

[Mozgus]

Ok first of all your opinion on the comic is completely worthless. You watched the fucking awful motion comic which doesn't count as reading the book at all.

The motion comic told me the full story while showing me every panel of the art. The acting ruined nothing. It only added to the experience. The story is also neither complicated, nor original. Yes, I completely understood it.

Thanks for coming in the thread and serving as a flawless example of the uber nerds I referred to above. You have no regard for anyone else's opinion, and you have some insatiable love for an inanimate object that doesn't give a shit about you. You seriously think that there can be an object/property in this world that absolutely everyone likes? And if anyone doesn't like it, it's because they somehow experienced it wrong? Are you off your fucking meds?

Further, all those little gripes you had, I agree with, and even mentioned some of them earlier in this thread. But they are just gripes and nothing more. They didn't ruin the entire fucking movie. It was still the same story and same characters.

Another thing to mention is you had your opinion of the comic tainted by the movie which you saw first, You knew what to expect with the story, . just like all the fanboys had their opinion of the movie 'tainted' by the excellent graphic novel. It's near impossible to have a unbiased opinion on something like this when its based of material that is considered such holy grounds.

You will die alone. Do you know that?

[Lanfear]

Mozgus,

Unfortunately your opinion doesn't count in regards to the comic. The motion thing you watched, doesn't allow you to take in the comic the way reading the book does. You could literally look at the watchmen pages for five minutes and find little things you didn't see before.

I don't really think Watchmen the comic is that incredible, so I'm not a glowing fanboy. But your pretending that your opinion on the comic in relation to the movie is relevant, and it is most certainly not.

[Mozgus]

Mozgus,

Unfortunately your opinion doesn't count in regards to the comic. The motion thing you watched, doesn't allow you to take in the comic the way reading the book does. You could literally look at the watchmen pages for five minutes and find little things you didn't see before.

I don't really think Watchmen the comic is that incredible, so I'm not a glowing fanboy. But your pretending that your opinion on the comic in relation to the movie is relevant, and it is most certainly not.

I'm not pretending shit. I never lie to myself. I never have a reason to. I don't just wake up each day with new ways to go against the grain of society.

1) The comic illustrations are below average, and there are no details to be seen by looking closely at anything. I missed nothing by watching it. Nearly every page was drawn quite lazily, with a ton of things given no attention, especially in the backgrounds. I was not impressed at all.

2) I actually read chapter 1 before decided that I just wanted to go with the motion comic instead. Guess what? The experience I had by reading chapter 1 was identical to the experience from watching it.

My opinions are always 100% relevant because they are MY opinions. Deal with it.

[Lanfear]

How on earth did you become a moderator.

Obviously you didn't see the details.. considering you didn't read it. Enough said. I would stop talking. It makes you sound dumb.

[Flak Beard]

I finished the comic this past week and plan to see the movie this weekend. I thought the comic was good, not great. Certainly a bit pretentious. I wouldn't write my college thesis on it. It had it's moments, but I mostly kept reading because of Rorschach. He's the only character I genuinely cared about.

I have to agree with Moz. I've read about the changes made in the movie, and it's certainly nothing to get bent out of shape about. I'm glad they removed the "Tales of the Black Freighter" from the film. That was the most pretentious part of the comic anyway.

Why are you guys ripping on him for watching the motion comic? Just because he did that instead of reading the trade, somehow his experience is less authentic?

[Lanfear]

I finished the comic this past week and plan to see the movie this weekend. I thought the comic was good, not great. Certainly a bit pretentious. I wouldn't write my college thesis on it. It had it's moments, but I mostly kept reading because of Rorschach. He's the only character I genuinely cared about.

I have to agree with Moz. I've read about the changes made in the movie, and it's certainly nothing to get bent out of shape about. I'm glad they removed the "Tales of the Black Freighter" from the film. That was the most pretentious part of the comic anyway.

I disagree that the book is pretentious.

Maybe nowadays I could see you feeling that way, but I don't think when it was written it was written to be pretentious.

[Flak Beard]

I disagree that the book is pretentious.

Maybe nowadays I could see you feeling that way, but I don't think when it was written it was written to be pretentious.

A good work of fiction should be timeless. I'm not saying the book is up it's own ass, but it's definitely pretending to be something more than it is in some regards.

People are saying the adaptation is solid, so the fact that Alan Moore removed his name from the film let's us know what kind of author he is.

[Mozgus]

A good work of fiction should be timeless. I'm not saying the book is up it's own ass, but it's definitely pretending to be something more than it is in some regards.

People are saying the adaptation is solid, so the fact that Alan Moore removed his name from the film let's us know what kind of author he is.

From all the responses Alan More has made towards the movie, he comes across as a whiny little bitch. He really should be ashamed of the way he's acted. He has absolutely no reason to be angry. Opinions aside, if he didn't want his precious baby Watchmen to become a movie, then perhaps he should not have forfeited any control over the rights. I'm sure he has been paid well, and if not, he can only blame himself for not understanding how the business works. Definitely don't blame the team making the movie, especially after seeing Snyder quoted as saying he hopes Moore would simply watch the film once, and mildly enjoy it. Moore retorted with some asshole response, I forget at the moment. The guy can go fuck himself, as far as I'm concerned. If a gigantic team of people spent years making a movie out of some short story I wrote, I'd be flattered at the very least.

Watchmen is indeed pretentious by the way, but thats not really a bad thing. There's a lot of classic animes I like that are pretentious, and it worked in their favor in leaving a lasting impression on me. A story can be bullshit and preachy, but if the presentation is there to back it up, the human brain can still experience very strong emotion from it.

Maybe nowadays I could see you feeling that way, but I don't think when it was written it was written to be pretentious.

And so we come to the main element of the cult following to Watchmen. This is something that all the fanboys need to come to terms with. Most of what Watchmen stands for, has become dated and invalid 20 years later. This was unavoidable. Other comic book stories, for better or for worse, evolve every few years to stay relevant. The watchman movie had the balls to stay authentic, and the comic remain untainted from any continuation or other milking. And good on it for that. But the fact remains that it's story is no longer impressive, original, and even very edgy by our standards now.

I mean, you got a vigilante anti-hero who isn't afraid to kill to get answers. Big deal. That's nothing special now. You have some omnipotent being who is disconnected with human values and perceives dimensions and shit that we dont. Who cares? You have a big dumb brute who likes guns and thinks with his dick. Wonderful.

I'm glad they removed the "Tales of the Black Freighter" from the film. That was the most pretentious part of the comic anyway.

Ugh, I came so close to just skipping ahead 3 minutes every time one of those segments began in the motion comic. The entire thing was like a 4 sentence long story being spread 10x too thin. I guess Jon wasn't enough opportunity for Moore to demonstrate his epic douch-level vocabulary. He needed another outlet to sound smarter than he really is.

How on earth did you become a moderator.

Obviously you didn't see the details.. considering you didn't read it. Enough said. I would stop talking. It makes you sound dumb.

Once again, the motion comic contains everything the original comic contains. (Actually, it doesn't contain the side-story/documents that are at the end of the chapters in the book, but after looking at those real quick, I'm sure they were nothing I'd have tolerated anyway.) You have the art, and you have the text. Right there, that's the total package. On top of that, the motion comic offers animations, a soundtrack, and a full dub. Should the user not enjoy the soundtrack or dub, he can mute the fucking thing. Problem solved. The motion comic IS the comic, plus more. This is a god damn fact you cannot argue, unless you're going to tell me that the texture of the recycled paper your little book was printed on makes you randy or something. You got nothing.

Now you can't just come in here, tell me to shut up, call me dumb, question my contributions to this place, and provide not one lick of reasoning for your argument. I don't tolerate lazy trolls. You need to put forth the same effort as I do, or you need to GTFO.