What single player FPS campaign are you playing?

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That's a fair point.

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What was wrong with System Shock 2?
What was wrong with Thief 2?
What was wrong with Fallout 2?
What was wrong with... Bioshock 2?

All great games but since you asked...

System Shock 2 became more about horror and less about cyberpunk. It's still a great game, but it lost some of the magic of the first. Also System Shock 2 got rid of the cyberspace dungeons and that was a bummer. SS2 was not as good as SS1 IMO.

Thief 2 lost the creepy supernatural elements and replaced them with boring steampunk robots. Also the levels became less interesting despite being larger. The plot of the game wasn't as interesting to me as the first Thief either. Thief 2 is good, but was not as good as Thief 1 IMO.

Fallout 2 felt like a huge expansion pack to Fallout, rather than a true sequel. It was basically just more of the exact same, with a stronger dash of humor. Except the plot became so expansive that it was easy to lose the impetus of your quest and get lost in a sea of less intriguing sidequests. Also Fallout 2 was crazy buggy when it released. The game nuked a save file I had and I lost 30 hours and never bothered going back and beating it. (That was way back in the day when I still used only one save file like a dummy.)

I haven't played Bioshock 2, but I've never thought it looked very interesting because the screenshots look like the exact same thing as Bioshock 1 was. Except now you're a big daddy... but who asked to be a big daddy? I didn't ask to be a big daddy.

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I'm just fascinated that so many people are turned off from it because it's merely a second game at Rapture, which is a beautiful and incredibly unique setting. God forbid, they made a monstrously long list of 2 games dedicated to it, talk about milked! Nobody wanted to go back there!

[PartridgeSenpai]

I'm just fascinated that so many people are turned off from it because it's merely a second game at Rapture, which is a beautiful and incredibly unique setting. God forbid, they made a monstrously long list of 2 games dedicated to it, talk about milked! Nobody wanted to go back there!

I'm glad SOMEBODY else likes Bioshock 2 more than the first one like I do. Dual wielding makes that game sooo much more fun! And Minerva's Den is written soooo well. I loves dat game.

Also, Thief 2 being one of my favorite games, I must add my two cents. I really liked that they took out all of the supernatural tombs and crypts and stuff out of Thief 2, because Thief was supposed to be a stealth game (imo). Those levels really didn't require much stealth, as things like the zombies and burricks didn't count as being seen, and they didn't totally change the level once they saw you like getting seen by a guard would on a normal level. That is why even though I think Thief 1 definitely had an interesting story, I will always like Thief 2 better.

By the same note, I LOVE System Shock 2, but have not played the first one, so I cannot comment.

And keeping with the theme of the thread, King's Field 1 is one the way in the mail! So excited

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I really liked that they took out all of the supernatural tombs and crypts and stuff out of Thief 2

Most people did prefer the change, you're not alone in that. It's just personally that I loved the ghosts, zombies, dinosaurs, insectoid men, rat men, and such.

Those levels really didn't require much stealth, as things like the zombies and burricks didn't count as being seen

Well, there were human filled levels to counterbalance that though. I liked that in Thief 1 there were some levels that stealth wasn't such a larger factor in, versus others where stealth was a big deal. Just for the sake of variety.

All that said, I would never hold it against someone if they thought Thief 2 was better than Thief 1. The games are different enough, that it makes sense some people prefer either over the other.

And keeping with the theme of the thread, King's Field 1 is one the way in the mail! So excited

Are you talking about the Japanese original or the USA KF1? Either way that's awesome.

[PartridgeSenpai]

And keeping with the theme of the thread, King's Field 1 is one the way in the mail! So excited

Are you talking about the Japanese original or the USA KF1? Either way that's awesome.

The Japanese first one I believe. It has a pretty orange cover and says "KINGS FIELD" on it.

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the Little Sister mechanics are awesome,

I was with you until this line. The escort missions for Little Sisters were a dragging element to the game for me, moreso than any part of the first game. Specifically, there was one right after Brutes were introduced where you are at the top of a small staircase near a shop and the brutes are jumping up from a hole in the floor. I played most of the game on hard, but after that fight, I dropped the game to easy for the Little Sister parts. Then eventually just left it on easy to finish the game because I stopped having fun.

Bioshock 2 had alot of things going right for it, but the escort missions were so pronounced that it tainted the entire game to me. Are yall saying that Infinite is pretty much nothing but a big escort mission?

As for the SS2 reasons, SS2 added coop. Coop vastly increases my desire to play through any game. But thats just me. Ack's brother and I played through the first half of SS2 last year and it was exciting.

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I've been trying to play Bioshock again, but I genuinely hate replaying openings of games due to lost save file. So I don't know if it's because I'm doing the same things I've already done before or what, but I'm having a tough time enjoying Bioshock right now.

I also think the shooting is kind of meh, honestly. What I'd give to have a zoom-in snipe button!

I'm conflicted though. I think Rapture is an awesome setting. And it is actually creepy and unique - in concept. But actually playing it feels like a chore to me, unlike Infinite which I was very compelled to play through quickly.

[PartridgeSenpai]

I've been trying to play Bioshock again, but I genuinely hate replaying openings of games due to lost save file. So I don't know if it's because I'm doing the same things I've already done before or what, but I'm having a tough time enjoying Bioshock right now.

I also think the shooting is kind of meh, honestly. What I'd give to have a zoom-in snipe button!

I'm conflicted though. I think Rapture is an awesome setting. And it is actually creepy and unique - in concept. But actually playing it feels like a chore to me, unlike Infinite which I was very compelled to play through quickly.

I always thought the gunplay in Bioshock 1 was total arse. The guns never seem to do any damage and they kickback like hell. I did almost the entire game killing everything with my wrench and fire plasmids, save for tons of landmines for Big Daddies, just because I hated using guns so much.

As a side note, I never minded the Little Sister parts in Bioshock 2. I thought they were fun, but maybe I'm just weird Xp

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I've been using the wrench a lot as well.