PretentiousHipster wrote:Hot take: Actions films tend to suck because they try to take themselves seriously by incorporating a plot.
SpaceBooger wrote:Raging Justice wrote: I haven't seen enough movies with Sammo or Yuen, so that increased my enjoyment of the movie, and Lola Forner just lights up the screen.
If you have not yet read "I Am Jackie Chan: My Life in Action" you need to. It is a great read and you will understand the meaning and relationships of many of those cast in his movies, especially Sammo. "I Am Jackie Chan: My Life in Action" is in my top ten list of books because, frankly it was the first biography I was not forced to read, and it caught me off guard with the content. I highly recommend anyone to check it out.
Ack wrote:PH, do you consider films like The Wild Bunch or The Dirty Dozen to be action films? Or are you thinking more along the lines of the Commando/First Blood: Part II/Bloodsport vein?
Ack wrote:Also, Dredd came out after The Raid. The two do feature plots similar enough there was speculation that Dredd was ripping off The Raid, but the production timelines are close enough that it's doubtful anyone on Dredd's production was even aware of The Raid. Why you might prefer Dredd over The Raid may simply come down to having seen Dredd first, despite it being the "newer" film.
PretentiousHipster wrote:Hot take: Actions films tend to suck because they try to take themselves seriously by incorporating a plot. I don't wanna start anything with you RCBH928, but I just remember you saying that dialogue felt like filler for you, and that is exactly how dialogue is in action films for me. I don't really understand why people would need a motivation or a relatable character for someone that just blows stuff up because a) usually that "motivation" is just not doing any character development at all, and doing a very cheap and half-assed attempt of doing one by throwing in a simple stake, or making it a revenge tale so you feel bad for them, and b) that implies that you watch films for their morality, and I find it weird because the actions they do tend to be morally questionable. I don't care about morals for films, and hate it when people only use that as an analysis, but people plot-focused focus on that, and they usually never question why a moral character would do immoral things which make make a cool analysis.
Because of those reasons, and the MOST character development that happens in them later on is throwing in a love interest, that once again, also just a simple attempt to increase the stakes, the dialogue scenes are a total buzzkill. They kill the pacing, and it doesn't even make a nice contrast between the action-heavy scenes.
Films like The Raid are better because they know what they excel. Screw the story, it's gonna suck anyways. Just throw in a bunch of cool action scenes with some tension sprinkled in there.
PretentiousHipster wrote:Only time I loved a legit action film that used tropes was the film Universal Soldier: Day of Reckoning, but that was only because it was a deconstruction of actions films and their tropes, emphasizing the brutality of them by turning it into a horror film. Their action scenes kind of felt like what should be the standard in that genre too.
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