Reprise wrote:I rewatch Attitude Era PPVs quite often, but it's really a struggle to get through any pre-2000 PPV. They often made some really bizarre decisions prior to 2000, like giving fucking Billy Gunn of all people a major push out of no where in 1999 and putting him in a feud with the Rock.
Thats because WWE didn't know what they were doing, Vince is dead scared to lose his company to billionaire Ted who can buy his whole roster out right. They were in a weird position that they still had top tier stars like Taker and Mankind, and thanks to his lucky stars it just happened that The Ringmaster and Rocky Miavia turned into Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock, otherwise there was a huge gap. They actually had to rely on Hunter Hearst Helmsley and cowboy Billy Gunn along with Jeff Jarrett wannabe side kick The Roadie to create a pact that opposes the nWo that had Hogan, Macho Man, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall to name a few thats one of the most desperate thing I have seen in pro wrestling history.
They just made random stuff and wished for the best, nude girls, showing people the finger, doing the X chop thing which they shamelessly copy from Scott Hall, act childish, beg for the 1-2-3 kid to come back and since Billy Gunn is the corporate boy they decided to give him a push I guess maybe they thought he too would turn out something great like The Rock.
But out of memory I recall great matches which I am not sure if they consider attitude era or not but Taker vs Kane, Steve Austin vs Bret Hart, Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels (screwjob) , Taker vs Mankind steel cage match. so I do not know about having troubling going through any PPVs pre-2000s but WCW PPVs were general bad so much so imo the weekly Nitro is more exciting.
Reprise wrote:Sload Soap wrote:I have a fondness for the early Smackdown games as those were the ones my brothers and I would slap each other around in. Warzone wasn't great I'll admit.
Yeah, I can get that. I do too. My friends and I put in hours and hours into both Smackdown 1 and 2 back in the day. I remember when the second game came out, we all slept over a friend of mine's house and we pulled an all nighter playing through the season mode trying to unlock all the match types and wrestlers.
If you're into that fast paced arcade style though, they definitely perfected it on the fourth game, Shut Your Mouth in my opinion. There were so many match types, things to do and wrestlers to choose from, and the season mode was insane (I think it's also the longest one, with it lasting two years - yes I know 1 and 2's season technically lasts forever, but they're just randomly generated, repeated stories after a while).
Here Comes the Pain is my personal favourite and most people agree, but that slowed things down a bit and became a touch more of simulation style, playing like a mixture between Smackdown and No Mercy.
I enjoyed N64 wrestling games but for the most part weren't they just the same AKI one with improvements and added features? You speak of WWF games, but there were also WCW games. What made No Mercy so special other than it was the last one so it was the most feature full one obviously? I also know they consider Smackdown series different but I just do not know what is specifically different, I think it had more storylines and seasons mode?
Raging Justice wrote:There are people at Fox angry that WWE couldn't sign him. Punk has value. And again, numbers don't lie. AEW got a huge ratings boost from both him and Daniel Bryan. They actually beat WWE's Monday Night Raw in every demographic last week for the first time EVER.
Also, I actually read an article on a wrestling website calling All Out the best wrestling PPV ever and Punk certainly was a big part of that. Now, granted, best ever might be a bit of an exaggeration, but it speaks volumes that this pay per view has entered the conversation for a lot of people
And on the topic of video games, I personally feel that no video game has every truly captured what makes wrestling work, and I've played all of the popular ones from the N64 ones, to the Fire Pro Wrestling series, to the Yukes Smackdown games. I actually would rather play something that doesn't try to accurately mimic how wrestling works (because no video game can) and instead just does something silly and over the top with it like WWF Wrestlemania: The Arcade Game did
-Beat every demographic ever? like even when WCW was around? this also means AEW beat the total rating of the WWE correct? which didn't happen since 1999 I think.
-I played 2007 RvsSD to death, it had everything even a manager mode. What you think is missing? I felt I was in the real thing.