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Re: The Wrestling Thread

by prfsnl_gmr Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:29 am

BoneSnapDeez wrote:Image


I’m just reposting this because it makes me laugh every time I see it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

This slideshow is unintentionally(?) hilarious:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wwe.co ... obs-photos
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by RCBH928 Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:18 pm

prfsnl_gmr wrote:What happened, RCBH? Did a wrestler take advantage of you? I’m just curious how you learned this very specific lesson.


1-I have been screwed by people by treating them with trust and respect, and as a family not officially with businesses papers and contracts
2-If you read into wrestling history you will see a lot of wrestlers causing issues. It is said that Ultimate Warrior refused to on PPV once unless McMahon paid him X amount of money extra. I think Scott Hall and Kevin Nash had given a word to McMahon they will sign for the WWE then showed up on Nitro. I think Scott Hall showed up drunk to matches in WCW. The female WWF champion showed up on Nitro and threw the WWF championship belt in the trash live on Nitro. This is why McMahon screwed Bret. He didn't want to see the WWF championship belt thrown in the trash live on WCW Nitro.
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Re: The Wrestling Thread

by PretentiousHipster Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:33 pm

prfsnl_gmr wrote:This slideshow is unintentionally(?) hilarious:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wwe.co ... obs-photos


I get "random and hilarious 70/80s vinyl covers" vibes from some of these images.
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Re: The Wrestling Thread

by RCBH928 Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:53 pm

PretentiousHipster wrote:Yea, I noticed a pattern of RCBH doing a lot of selective memory when it comes to his posts.


How so according to this thread?
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Re: The Wrestling Thread

by PretentiousHipster Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:24 pm

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PretentiousHipster wrote:Yea, I noticed a pattern of RCBH doing a lot of selective memory when it comes to his posts.


How so according to this thread?
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About the stars back then and the lack of stars now.

There was also in random gaming thoughts when you said this "They used to make videogames based on movies, now they make movies based on videogames. This is saying something."

When really, they were always doing both.

I'm not starting shit with you of course, so no worries, just that this stuff doesn't really sit well with me. Like the people saying that music back then was good and sucks now. It's always the same stuff, but you could argue that it's much better ever since the internet came in and it's easier to get into the music industry, or not even be in it yet still promote your music. Plus it completely ignores the fact of how much trash there was in practically every decade with music. They were just forgotten about within months if not weeks.
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by Reprise Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:11 pm

All Out 2021 is the first PPV I have ever ordered and paid for and what a PPV it was. Was it you, Raging Justice, who said you think it might be a candidate for one of the best PPVs of all time? If so (or whoever did say it), then I have to say I completely agree. It seems like one of those PPVs that just had that indescribable, special feeling and atmosphere to it. It was like watching Wrestlemania X7, ECW One Night Stand or Money in the Bank 2011. It was on that level. It didn't neccessarily have any 5 star classics from a technical perspective, but it was solid from start to finish, with a hot crowd and some amazing moments. This PPV is a defining moment for AEW.
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Re: The Wrestling Thread

by RCBH928 Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:27 pm

Raging Justice wrote:You don't really know much about wrestling do you?

Who WWE caters to and who actually watches their product are two different things. They can have Mountain Dew and Slim Jims on their show all they want, it doesn't changed the actual statistical data. Facts are facts. They are A LOT of 40+ and 50+ aged people watching their product.

I don't think you know any actual wrestling fans, as many of them DO care about in ring work. That's why people who cover pro wrestling like Dave Meltzer have a star system they use to rate matches and many fans use it too with 3 stars being good, 4 stars being excellent, and 5 stars being match of the year candidates or all time classics. Many of the most popular wrestlers today are only popular because of the amazing matches they've had and the incredible things they've done in the ring. I mean New Japan Pro Wrestling is popular with fans around the world, just based on the quality of their matches and many people don't understand Japanese and don't even know what those wrestlers are saying when they talk. There's a store, I think it's Hot Topic, that has been selling out t-shirts and merchandise for The Bullet Group, a faction from New Japan, for a long time now

I have actually been to sports bars that aired pro wrestling pay per views and people at those bars would go nuts reacting to everything happening. Hell, there are some clips on youtube of people in a bar watching AEW's last pay per view. Hell, ESPN even covers pro wrestling despite it not being a real sport. So there are plenty of 18-35 year old people into wrestling as well as many 40-50 year old people

I don't know why people use "make believe fights" as some sort of insult to pro wrestling. They don't pretend that it's real, that stopped many, many years ago, and fans know that it isn't real, just like they know nobody could get into a gun fight with like 50 people and survive the way Keanu Reeves does in the John Wick movies. Yet many ADULTS watch the John Wick movies. I'm amazed that there are still people out there who tell wrestling fans, "It's not real", as if that's some big secret that they don't know already. Pro Wrestling is not a real sport. Every fan already knows this and doesn't care. In fact, many UFC members, people who actually engage in real fights for a living, enjoy pro wrestling. Some have even crossed over and become wrestlers themselves like Ronda Rousey.

I don't understand your point about Flair and Macho Man. I've seen many wrestling shows today begin with a match between two popular stars who everyone knew were going to have an amazing match.

There's plenty of stars today that are on par with The Rock, Foley, Flair, Macho Man, etc, etc, etc. It's just that wrestling isn't as popular now as it was back then. You saw CM Punk's debut in AEW. You're telling me he is not a star with the reaction he got from that crowd? Or the whole arena going crazy when Daniel Bryan debuted this past Sunday? There was a period of time during Daniel Bryan's run in WWE where he was getting insane crowd reactions, louder than anyone else in the company. People were even doing his yes chants at schools and sporting events. WWE unfortunately doesn't know how to use their talent properly, so while they have a lot of people who could be stars they often find a way to ruin it for them. Sometimes a person will still catch fire though, like Daniel Bryan did, or Becky Lynch

Some people just can't let go of the past. There's a lot to enjoy in pro wrestling today, but unfortunately some people refuse to let go of Attitude Era WWE and constantly act like pro wrestling will never be as good as it was then. There are people today who are better on the microphone than many people from that era. If you put The Rock in an AEW ring with CM Punk today and gave them each a microphone, Punk would tear him a new one on the microphone. I have no doubt of that. And the matches today are far and away better than most of the ones from the Attitude Era.


There is no need to take this personally I am merely stating my opinion. I have been following wrestling since before the 1st RAW episode was aired and I own a full set of Nitro, Thunder, and ECW TV with the PPVs.

Looking at news sites online indeed they report that 80% of WWE audience are 18+ , I was wrong I am not afraid to say so when I am, but who would have figured!? But if you combine that data with a declining viewership from all time 8 rating to current 2 and the median age jumping from 28 to 54 between 2000 to 2016 I think we can conclude that those 50+ year olds are the dedicated wrestling fans watching from from the 80s 90 and 2000s who were in their 20s in yesteryear.

You say stars like Daniel Bryan and CM Punk on level of Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin, depends on how you measure stardom. Is it viewership? ticket sales? Contract? Historic matches? T-shirt sales? Personal preference?

As for pro-wrestling today I see it the same as it always was-rinse and repeat. I can not recall how many times I have seen this scenario , I am tired of it. What made attitude era exciting was a lot of the ideas were newer back then like ECW and nWo invasion angle, the competition between the feds, and the concentrations of super star wrestlers. Just look up the WCW roster between 97-99 and tell me which other company had this many stars. I personally prefer the characters from back then over the ones around now, I'll take Steve Austin vs Bret Hart over CM Punk vs Omega but thats my opinion.
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Re: The Wrestling Thread

by Reprise Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:49 pm

In some ways, wrestling has become stale and there's many reasons for it (in my opinion, that I'm too tired to go into right now), but other ways wrestling has never been so good. I agree with whoever it was who said that match quality DOES matter and in that respect, wrestling is at its absolute peak. I think there are pros and cons to both wrestling in the 90s and what it's like today. I don't want to just be entertained by soap opera storylines and bizarre characters, I also want entertaining matches that keep me on the edge of my seat and there's far more to it than just "executing a nice looking DDT". It's about pacing, psychology, move variety, chain wrestling and sometimes, some matches are like a piece of art.

I think there's a lot of nostalgia and rose-tinted glasses when people talk about the greatness of wrestling 'back in the day' in terms of everything, including the characters, stories and matches... I say this as someone who has amassed a HUGE wrestling DVD collection of everything from WCW, ECW, WWF, AEW and NJPW and god knows what else, and have had every episode of Nitro and year's worth of episodes of ECW, Raw and Smackdown downloaded from torrents years before the Network existed.
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Re: The Wrestling Thread

by RCBH928 Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:27 pm

PretentiousHipster wrote:
About the stars back then and the lack of stars now.

There was also in random gaming thoughts when you said this "They used to make videogames based on movies, now they make movies based on videogames. This is saying something."

When really, they were always doing both.

I'm not starting shit with you of course, so no worries, just that this stuff doesn't really sit well with me. Like the people saying that music back then was good and sucks now. It's always the same stuff, but you could argue that it's much better ever since the internet came in and it's easier to get into the music industry, or not even be in it yet still promote your music. Plus it completely ignores the fact of how much trash there was in practically every decade with music. They were just forgotten about within months if not weeks.


Thats fair. I will provide proof. If you are a wrestling fan, look at WCW 1998 roster and compare to the current WWE and you tell me:
https://www.thesmackdownhotel.com/roste ... on=wcw#men
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Re: The Wrestling Thread

by RCBH928 Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:43 pm

Reprise wrote:In some ways, wrestling has become stale and there's many reasons for it (in my opinion, that I'm too tired to go into right now), but other ways wrestling has never been so good. I agree with whoever it was who said that match quality DOES matter and in that respect, wrestling is at its absolute peak. I think there are pros and cons to both wrestling in the 90s and what it's like today. I don't want to just be entertained by soap opera storylines and bizarre characters, I also want entertaining matches that keep me on the edge of my seat and there's far more to it than just "executing a nice looking DDT". It's about pacing, psychology, move variety, chain wrestling and sometimes, some matches are like a piece of art.

I think there's a lot of nostalgia and rose-tinted glasses when people talk about the greatness of wrestling 'back in the day' in terms of everything, including the characters, stories and matches... I say this as someone who has amassed a HUGE wrestling DVD collection of everything from WCW, ECW, WWF, AEW and NJPW and god knows what else, and have had every episode of Nitro and year's worth of episodes of ECW, Raw and Smackdown downloaded from torrents years before the Network existed.


1-I agree with you on the first point. ProWrestling is a whole package thing. Not just in ring tactics or just a load mouth.

2-I do not look back with tinted glasses of wrestling back then. RAW was always horrible for me(filled with jobbers), and WCW was exploding with cheesey stuff. I also hated on a lot of the WWE attitude era. DX was a cheap knock off of the nWo they were so desperate they started doing stuff that is cringe and near pornography just to let people watch their show it was sad. But WWF always knew how to have a nice PPV and I believe Nitro was the better weekly show after the nWo angle. WCW PPVs were horrible for the most part, I prefer their Nitro show over their PPVs.
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