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Reprise wrote:Back to AEW, who the hell is the guy in the mask? It's (if you believe the dirt sheets) not Adam Cole and he is legitimately injured.


Ok, my theories:

1. Adam Cole
You've been worked, the dirt sheets have been worked, the injury is non-existent or not as bad as they made you believe

2. CM Punk
Surprise! It WaS aLl A wOrK

3. Edge
Ha

4. Jack Perry
Isn't "real glass" boy due to be back soon?
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Reprise wrote:Wrestlemania 17 was the first 'Mania I had watched that actually felt like a big deal and worthy of the kind of hype that surrounds the event now. Previously I think I had only watched WM 14, 15 and 16, which were pretty weak to varying levels. That TLC match blew me away. I absolutely loved that time in WWE. WWE in the year 2000 and 2001 right up until the Invasion angle was their peak.
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idk, wrestlemania was always a big deal. Maybe things got worse and very commercial by 2010 , but back before that it was a big deal. You might see the early 90's ones not having a big spectacular setup for them but that is because back then wrestling was much smaller industry...at least financially wise. I think it was mainly US earning only, today its global.
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RCBH928 wrote:
Reprise wrote:Wrestlemania 17 was the first 'Mania I had watched that actually felt like a big deal and worthy of the kind of hype that surrounds the event now. Previously I think I had only watched WM 14, 15 and 16, which were pretty weak to varying levels. That TLC match blew me away. I absolutely loved that time in WWE. WWE in the year 2000 and 2001 right up until the Invasion angle was their peak.
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idk, wrestlemania was always a big deal. Maybe things got worse and very commercial by 2010 , but back before that it was a big deal. You might see the early 90's ones not having a big spectacular setup for them but that is because back then wrestling was much smaller industry...at least financially wise. I think it was mainly US earning only, today its global.


I have watched every Mania. I know it was always a big deal, but the early Attitude Era ones felt pretty lame and like the rest of the b level PPVs. It's not just in terms of the production, lighting and all that stuff, but also the cards, builds and booking. Arguably, Austin vs HBK at 14 was a huge deal, but it just sucked that Shawn was injured so badly and he wasn't at his best to face Austin. Austin vs Rock I at Mania 15 was also a pretty big match, but was before Rock had become the huge star he later went on to be. Mania 16 suffered from the loss of Austin and the Undertaker and they panicked about pulling the the trigger on Rock vs HHH, so they overbooked the main event (along with most of the card). The tag team predecessor to TLC and Angle, Benoit and Jericho matches were great though.
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I know I say this a lot, but the girls in Stardom really know how to make an entrance

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Mayu Iwatani is so smooth. That's how you do a fucking frog splash

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Nice battle between Tam & Syuri we got recently, with plenty of stiff shots (there's a lot of that in Stardom).

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So most of the talk now is about Edge and who is in the mask, but there's still rumors about Mariah May going to AEW as she is finishing up in Stardom

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It has been announced that the main event of Wrestledream is Darby Allin vs Christian for the TNT Championship.... :o

There's surely only one reason they would put that match on last :wink:
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What the hell is this "new era" AEW keep hyping? WrestleDream is "the end of and start of a new era". This Wednesday's Dynamite is "the first Dynamite of a new era".

What does any of it mean? I swear if it's just TK overhyping nonsense again, I'll be mad :lol:

If it's about a streaming service, or whatever, them that's cool, but it's hardly "a new era".

Same if there's lots of debuts.

AEW does need a rebrand and to reinvent itself. Collision was a good start, but it all got a bit messed up with the drama involving Punk. AEW has become a bit stale and they need a shake up, but hard to know what they can do better other than the obvious stuff like booking the women's division better.

Anyways, onto WWE, which I have barely watched since Mania, outside of Summerslam. I see they have Fastlane next week. It always confuses me when they move their PPVs around the schedule. I thought the whole point of Fastlane's title was the whole "we're in the fastlane to Wrestlemania" shtick.

LA Knight is so ridiculously over. I wonder what WWE's plans for him are and if they will drop the ball along the way.
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Reprise wrote:What the hell is this "new era" AEW keep hyping? WrestleDream is "the end of and start of a new era". This Wednesday's Dynamite is "the first Dynamite of a new era".

What does any of it mean? I swear if it's just TK overhyping nonsense again, I'll be mad :lol:

If it's about a streaming service, or whatever, them that's cool, but it's hardly "a new era".

Same if there's lots of debuts.

AEW does need a rebrand and to reinvent itself. Collision was a good start, but it all got a bit messed up with the drama involving Punk. AEW has become a bit stale and they need a shake up, but hard to know what they can do better other than the obvious stuff like booking the women's division better.

Anyways, onto WWE, which I have barely watched since Mania, outside of Summerslam. I see they have Fastlane next week. It always confuses me when they move their PPVs around the schedule. I thought the whole point of Fastlane's title was the whole "we're in the fastlane to Wrestlemania" shtick.

LA Knight is so ridiculously over. I wonder what WWE's plans for him are and if they will drop the ball along the way.


What AEW needs IMO:
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Tony needs to stop being a nice guy. He needs to enforce stricter rules among his talent to stop all the backstage bullshit, though I honestly think we're gonna hear a lot less about that stuff now that CM Punk is gone. He also needs to adopt some of WWE's practices, signing wrestlers to more strict contracts and instituting non compete clauses for people. I think AEW wrestlers make too many appearances in other wrestling companies and it makes them feel less special. This applies especially to indies. I've seen Moxley wrestle in like fifty billion different indie companies. I hate to sound snobby or elitist, but it does lower his overall value in my opinion. A top AEW star should not be wrestling in small time promotions. You want to see Moxley, you pay to see him at an AEW show, not some nobody indie company no one has ever heard of. They should not be wrestling anywhere else except for special events like Forbidden Door, unless they are holding the International title.

In fact, that should be the whole goddamn point of the International title in the first place. The guy who has it can wrestle elsewhere or he can accept challengers from international promotions like Revolution Pro, NJPW, etc. Tony needs to be a bit more cutthroat if he seriously wants to compete with WWE. There is power in exclusivity. In fact, in the gaming space one of the things people often use to justify owning a Playstation is that they have games you cannot play anywhere else, even on PC. AEW talent should rarely be wrestling elsewhere.

No more interaction between ROH and AEW. ROH should be its own thing, for the diehard fans only. Honestly, and I know this sounds harsh, but I'm being realistic here, they should just let ROH die. Nobody cares about it and hasn't for years now.

Tony likes tournaments, but they are usually short, meaningless ones. AEW needs a big yearly tournament like NJPW's G1 or Stardom's Five Star GP. That's what the Owen Hart Cup should be, a massive, multi-month tournament. Winning it should guarantee you a shot at any title of your choosing.

Ditch Jim Ross. Yeah, that's cold and heartless, but he's not good anymore. At times, he sounds senile and at other times he shits on the product. He's old and out of touch.

Get rid of Rampage and maybe move Collision to Friday. Collision's existence makes Rampage pointless. Actually, I'd move Collision to Tuesday and start aggressively going after WWE. Put THEM on defense for a change. You book a solid, 2 hour show every week, and NXT's numbers will start tanking.

Now I'm gonna ramble a bit about the women's division

Start using more joshis in the women's division. It's literally the only thing AEW can do to make their women's division stand out from everyone else. Put their matches in good time slots and let them go out there with no restrictions and give them whatever time they need to deliver kickass matches that will get everyone talking. Then find ways to create programs between them and the non-joshis in AEW's roster who actually have talent and who people actually give a fuck about like Britt Baker, Statlander, Jamie Hater, Serena Deeb, Willow Nightingale, etc. Get some of these younger or less skilled AEW ladies (like Sky Blue, Julia Hart) practicing in the ring with some joshis and you'll see how quickly all of them will improve in the ring. They'll be moving faster, executing moves better, and using stiffer shots. Hell, they could even make a women's Internatinal title if they need an excuse to get more joshis on TV. I'd rather see that than the pointless TBS title to be honest.

Forbidden Door needs a heavy Stardom presence. I know it is one thing that has disappointed people about the first two events. Also, how the hell does NJPW have a women's champ and she doesn't defend her title at Forbidden Door? In fact, NJPW has TWO women's champions now.

Hire someone (or just use Kenny Omega) to actually do creative for the ladies and also someone to coach them on promos. Frankly, you could probably just have Britt Baker coach everyone on promos. I also wish they'd get some of the ladies more involved in what the men are doing. They've always indicated some sort of relationship between Statlander and Cassidy. Why don't they make use of that?

Just fire Ruby Soho, Saraya, Marina Shafir, and Toni Storm. They are dead weight. Like I said, Tony Kahn needs to have a more cutthroat attitude. People want to see women with more charisma than those three have. Also, and I know this sounds douchey, but Soho is NOT easy on the eyes. I've being super honest in this post.

The women's division needs tag or trios titles. It'll give the ladies something else to do and to fight for. Stardom has some of the most awesome tag/trios matches ever and I'd like to see that kind of action in AEW.

Also, one area where WWE and even Impact Wrestling murders AEW is having their women in awesome stipulation matches. Why do we so rarely see that in AEW outside of the occasional, hardcore, blood bath that has become so bland and predictable. WWE women have Money in the Bank matches, Elimination Chamber matches, War Games matches, TLC matches, Cage matches, Last Woman standing matches, Royal Rumble matches, I could go on and on. It's like AEW just doesn't DO anything with their women.

One thing I like about Stardom is the epic entrances with elaborate outfits, kickass music (Stardom seriously has some of the best entrance themes ever), poses, and in some cases - dancing LOL. One member of Queen's Quest even comes out carrying a kickass flag. I kind of wish we could have that for some of the women in AEW. I mean look at some of the guys in AEW. House of Black gets the epic, lights out, entrances, and scary masks. Jericho has Judas. Do any of the women in AEW have cool entrances? No, they don't.

Lastly, if Mariah May shows up in AEW, PUSH THE FUCK OUT OF HER. Seriously, it's time AEW starting building their women's division around someone and not trash like Jade Cargill was. The Women's division needs at least one top face and one top heel and they should be pushed HARD and they should be talented enough to deserve that push. On that note...

Throw every goddamn, fucking dollar you have at Mercedes Mone and get her actually fucking working in your women's division. Oh, and FUCKING PROMOTE HER AND HYPE UP THE HELL OUT OF HER ON TV. Push her, push Mariah May, push DMD, push anyone else who steps up their game and WANTS it, get some joshi presence on your show, have Stardom (and the NJPW women's champions) show up every year for Forbidden Door, get some tag team/trios action going, some awesome stipulation matches, and holy shit - people actually give a fuck about the women's division now.

I realize a lot of this post is wishful thinking. In fact, I'm sure a few of the things I said would probably not even go ever well with AEW talent :lol:

RE: LA Knight. It sucks to be Cody Rhodes right now that's all I'll say :lol:

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Reprise wrote:I have watched every Mania. I know it was always a big deal, but the early Attitude Era ones felt pretty lame and like the rest of the b level PPVs. It's not just in terms of the production, lighting and all that stuff, but also the cards, builds and booking. Arguably, Austin vs HBK at 14 was a huge deal, but it just sucked that Shawn was injured so badly and he wasn't at his best to face Austin. Austin vs Rock I at Mania 15 was also a pretty big match, but was before Rock had become the huge star he later went on to be. Mania 16 suffered from the loss of Austin and the Undertaker and they panicked about pulling the the trigger on Rock vs HHH, so they overbooked the main event (along with most of the card). The tag team predecessor to TLC and Angle, Benoit and Jericho matches were great though.


I can't comment since I either have not watched some of those or forgot them but Attitude Era should be one of the best Wrestlemanias. It was the popularity pinnacle of pro wrestling and competition was intense with WCW. On the other side, WWE was suffering big time financially. So...

Maybe because they suffered huge withdraw of star wrestlers. WWE early attitude had no big names except HBK, Bret, Undertaker, and Steve Austin. Depending on which year it was Austin and Rocky have not reached stardom level of Hogan, Sting, and Flair. And as much as I respect Mick Foley, he never was really a big draw IMO. For some reason he was not as popular as Undertaker. Foley never reached the stardom of Hogan, Bret, Austin and others. I was sad to see him treated as a side kick for Rocky Miavia
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RCBH928 wrote:I can't comment since I either have not watched some of those or forgot them but Attitude Era should be one of the best Wrestlemanias. It was the popularity pinnacle of pro wrestling and competition was intense with WCW.


The problem is Russo booked them... haha. WM15 in particular was nonsensical with its swerves involving DX and the Corporation.

Russo had left by the time WM2000 (aka 16) happened, but it was a really weird event. Still felt like a B level PPV and there wasn't a single 1v1 match outside of a stinkface thong match between the Kat and I have forgotten who :roll:

WM17 was incredible though. That felt like the best WM up until that point and was the absolute peak of the Attitude Era. It was all downhill after that for a while.

WM18 kind of sucked (and that Hogan v Rock match is the most overrated match of all time... it was crap!), but WM19 onwards were all great apart from the odd lacklustre one.
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So Edge is back. I won't lie, that is a very big deal. Still, I think Tony Kahn oversold how shocking this PPV would be. That said, this is very good for AEW. With Cody and Jade Cargill leaving, it was starting to feel like AEW is just a stepping stone company for people to use solely to get WWE to hire them and give them a strong push. A big star like Edge going to AEW actually makes it feel like AEW is important. It hasn't really felt like that since Bryan debuted, and CM Punk before that. If you're an AEW fan you want it to look like that company is the place to be. Getting some washed up, has been like Saraya did nothing for AEW's reputation, but getting Edge is quite the opposite. It would be great too if they could actually get Sasha Ba...Mercedes Mone. That would certainly redeem Tony Kahn for the pointless signing of Saraya.

Seems like the in ring action was good from what I'm hearing, I haven't watched the show yet, but AEW is usually pretty reliable for great matches on PPV most of the time. I suspect that Bryan/Saber Jr was probably awesome. That's one of the few REAL dream matches AEW has given fans. There's been debates for years now about who is, "The Best Technical Wrestler in the World" revolving around those two. Back when Bryan was in WWE, him versus Zack Saber Jr. was one of those things that was never gonna happen

NXT had a PPV yesterday that sounds like it was pretty good too. I want to watch the Becky/Stratton rematch, I bet it was great given the added Extreme Rules stipulation. WWE is usually pretty creative with matches like this, rather than just going for sheer blood and gore like AEW does. Becky had a banger with a very much not in her prime Trish Stratus not long ago in a Cage Match, so I can only imagine how great a match she had with a talented girl in her prime like Stratton. There was some big title changes on the show as well. Ilja Dragunov has now held both the NXT and NXT UK titles. If I am not mistaken (and I very well could be), he is also the last man to ever defeat Gunther (assuming we don't count Chad Gable's count out victory over Gunther). That's very interesting to me, and I do wonder at what point they decide to bring him up to the main roster. His pose when he beat Gunther back then was epic

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Sounds like a fun weekend of wrestling. I'm happy for guys like Edge and Bryan Danielson, who both thought their careers were coming to an end years ago due to injuries, but are now fulfilling all of their goals in this business before retiring for good. It you believe in a higher power, he certainly has pulled a miracle or two for these guys so that they could live out their dreams. Edge also has a chance now to get that respect from the AEW locker room that CM Punk pissed all away. He's an actual WWE Hall of Famer and he just joined their company. I know that's gotta fire up that locker room and make them excited.
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