What Made you Smile/What Ticked you off Today?

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:lol: I've seen that before.

I mean, it's one thing just to think it up. Not every idea is a good idea. But someone (or even worse, a group of people) went through the entire process of design and manufacturing to get this thing made. At what point would you have realized it was a bad idea?
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Limewater wrote:
marurun wrote:Between the internet and cheap tech (cameras built into cell phones, even) there is no reason whatsoever for someone who wants to be making films to not be writing scripts and filming scenes. People who “want” to make films are the ones who do nothing but wait for their perfect film ideas to spring forth from the aether fully formed. Nothing happens, nothing moves forward, until you do things. Lots of great people getting famous on YouTube.


Honestly, REPO, as much as you complain about it, your location might be one of your best assets right now.

You live in a place most people in the Eastern U.S. have heard of, and many have visited or want to visit. It contains lots of scenic beauty. You have a lot of seasonal work and then a long off-season where work is pretty dry, you have free time, and a lot of places are shut down. This provides you access to both potential interesting filming locations and a local population with extra time on their hands.

It's unfortunate you don't have a car to crash, but I'm sure you could destroy your bike pretty spectacularly. You just have to make sure you get it in one take...


With my new morning job being year round, I don't have as much free time as I usually do. Also, while my hometown would work for a few ideas I have, executing those ideas is a whole completely different thing. I mean, try telling a predominantly conservative Christian town in the south that you want to make a thriller in the style of the works of Dario Argento or some cosmic horror in the style of H.P. Lovecraft.

Now, if it was a quaint movie not unlike the drek that airs nonstop on The Hallmark Channel, probably about a rich businesswoman in NYC who ends up in a quaint small town and ends up abandoning her lucrative career in favor of a simple small town life, maybe. I'd much rather do the reverse, having a small-town young woman who escapes her soul-crushing provincial small town and experiences trials, triumphs, friendships and love in NYC.
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REPO Man wrote:
I mean, try telling a predominantly conservative Christian town in the south that you want to make a thriller in the style of the works of Dario Argento or some cosmic horror in the style of H.P. Lovecraft.
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No, YOU try telling them that, that’s our entire fucking point. You’re not trying to do anything, you’re making broad brush assumptions about people, you’re sitting on your ass and you’re blaming other people for your own lack of effort. Stop with this ‘I’m the only gay in the village’ mentality and actually try and you might get somewhere.
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Honestly I think the Cape would be a perfect setting for horror. Some kids vacationing in the off-season, staying in some run-down property, and who knows what happens. Existential horror could also work equally well. I think where you are now is perfect for making horror films.
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alienjesus wrote:
REPO Man wrote:
I mean, try telling a predominantly conservative Christian town in the south that you want to make a thriller in the style of the works of Dario Argento or some cosmic horror in the style of H.P. Lovecraft.
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No, YOU try telling them that, that’s our entire fucking point. You’re not trying to do anything, you’re making broad brush assumptions about people, you’re sitting on your ass and you’re blaming other people for your own lack of effort. Stop with this ‘I’m the only gay in the village’ mentality and actually try and you might get somewhere.


Yeah, REPO, you might be surprised.

I went to this a couple of months ago:
https://gracehillfarmsal.com/zombie-paintball/

This takes place on a chicken farm way off the highway west of a small town called Athens, AL. The other big event I know of in Athens is the "Kiddie Carnival" put on by the local Lion's Club. It is a stereotypical "conservative Christian southern town."

And I know of at least one horror movie being shot in Canton, GA. Another chicken town.

Just having a morning job sounds like an incredible amount of free time. If you want to get married and have kids you definitely won't have anywhere near that much free time again for at least eighteen years.

Winter in a coastal town would be a very appropriate setting for Lovecraft-themed work.
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Also, REPO, it's ten years old and didn't go anywhere, but I believe that this was shot in North Carolina and would be right up your alley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv9X9oxtBPQ
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Any place on this island that's considered "run down" would 99% of the time not be rented out to tourists. My mom used to clean cottages and more often than not, those rentals are nicer than homes people live in year round.

And lately I've noticed that there's more tourists in the off-season than before the pandemic. I guess people can work remotely while their kids go to school remotely.

And like I said before, I know these people better than any of you could. And unless the movie I want to make is in the vein of Nights in Rodanthe, which shot a few scenes in the real-life Rodanthe, I wouldn't hold my breath. As a resort area, it'd be easier to rent out the cottage they used in Nights in Rodanthe than the cottage where an autistic self-described weirdo directed a slasher movie where tourists get gutted by a masked killer. The kind of people that vacation here would rather stay in a motel that in such a cottage.

As long as Hatteras Island is essentially enslaved by an industry built exclusively around tourism, that's going to guide every decision they make. Hell, the local movie theater's been closed for about a decade now! Why? Aside from the fact that the people who worked there basically treated the place as their own personal party space after hours, they could only sustain it if people could afford to go more than just once in a blue moon. And the only people that can afford to are out-of-towners who wouldn't go to the movies while on vacation.

And I may have mentioned this but homeowners are more concerned with turning rentals into AirBnBs, including places that locals would rent as year-round residences. That's what happened to my brother's ex-girlfriend "Veronica". Basically the landlord decided not to renew the lease so as to turn the place, an absolutely GORGEOUS two-story place across the street from the bookstore with an amazing view of the sky over the Pamlico Sound, into a short-term rental for tourists with money to burn. Now, Veronica and her kids are staying with her mother at her mother's boyfriend's place, which is also apparently getting turned into... you guessed it... a short-term vacation rental iirc. Locals are getting priced out and soon there'll be no one to work at all the businesses.

Maybe selling many of my ideas that don't require an NYC setting would work in more open-minded towns that have the same aesthetic. But starting my career in NYC would make more sense. It have a thriving film industry, hundreds of aspiring thespians, just as many other kinds of creative types and it's overall easier to get the permits, equipment, crew and cast needed to put an idea on the fast track to being fully formed.

There, I could describe an idea for a giallo-style slasher about a maniac in a plague doctor mask to people more easily. Here, telling folks you want to make a giallo-inspired murder mystery in the vein of the early works of Dario Argento, they'd stare at me blankly. I'd have to infodump hard and in layman's terms just to make it make sense.

And since some posts were made while I was typing this:

* Not all coastal towns are the same.
* Lovecraft is niche at best, and in my town that's a hard sell. And that's even if you lean in with Lovecraft being a racist POS. Seriously, a few years ago I tried to talk about the Black Lives Matter protests with my dad and refused to listen to me, kept trying to talk over me and even dropped the N-word. And par for the course, he's a typical local, at least in his generation (he was born in '65).
* My only free time is on my days off, one of which I spend running errands and doing chores. I haven't even found time to get up to Walmart to buy more pants, which explains why one of my two pairs of jeans has an increasingly large hole between the crotch and ass.
* Not every small town in the south is the same.
* Not every small town in North Carolina is the same.
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REPO Man wrote:Any place on this island that's considered "run down" would 99% of the time not be rented out to tourists. My mom used to clean cottages and more often than not, those rentals are nicer than homes people live in year round.

So? Do horror movies have to be perfectly realistic to be good, or at least fun?

REPO Man wrote:...A bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything...

You wouldn't be shooting any footage FOR the people on the cape. It would simply be footage shot AT the cape. That's it. Also, young people generally don't hold to conservative ideas as tightly and might, for a small amount of money be willing to act in whatever. I'm sure the folks there have seen horror movies before, at least one or two. Besides, instead of starting out with something high=concept, start with something accessible. Any practice is better than none.

You seem to think you know the Cape perfectly, and that we're clueless, and yet when our resident New Yorkers try and educate you about NYC, you act like you already know everything you need to know. So we're to accept your local expertise even as you reject that of others. Pretty typical.

REPO Man wrote:Maybe selling many of my ideas that don't require an NYC setting would work in more open-minded towns that have the same aesthetic. But starting my career in NYC would make more sense. It have a thriving film industry, hundreds of aspiring thespians, just as many other kinds of creative types and it's overall easier to get the permits, equipment, crew and cast needed to put an idea on the fast track to being fully formed.

And you're going to become a talented auteur... how? Where is your filmmaking acumen going to come from? Your connections to the industry from where? How many aspiring filmmakers go to LA or NYC to find success only to spend all their time waiting tables? You're going to stand out how? By having done nothing except passively watch, having made nothing? Having not even tried for having pre-decided upon your failure?

So you do nothing at all while you make zero progress toward your personal "perfect". The "perfect", in this case, is the enemy of progress. Should you ever make it to NYC, you'll by then be an over-the-hill man with no practiced or developed skills in the art of filming, expecting NYC to magically roll over for you in exactly the same way it does not for anyone else.

If this sounds harsh, it's not. It's what happens to people who make no effort at all towards a high-minded goal and are unwilling to compromise anything in search of some non-existent perfection. You could be doing things that are fun and interesting and hard work to find some place for yourself, and instead you pine away for the future you cannot have. You are sacrificing what existence you have now for, effectively, zilch.

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REPO Man wrote:I haven't even found time to get up to Walmart to buy more pants, which explains why one of my two pairs of jeans has an increasingly large hole between the crotch and ass.


Forget NYC! You need new pants ASAP!
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REPO Man wrote:Any place on this island that's considered "run down" would 99% of the time not be rented out to tourists. My mom used to clean cottages and more often than not, those rentals are nicer than homes people live in year round.


That's okay. You don't have to make Marurun's movie. You'd probably do a better job making your own.

As a resort area, it'd be easier to rent out the cottage they used in Nights in Rodanthe than the cottage where an autistic self-described weirdo directed a slasher movie where tourists get gutted by a masked killer. The kind of people that vacation here would rather stay in a motel that in such a cottage.


I don't see why any of these people need to know that you made a movie anywhere. People probably shoot porn in some of these rentals. Nobody is going to care if you shoot a horror movie in one. Though, given your budget, I wouldn't expect you to be shooting anywhere you'd have to pay to use. I wouldn't.

As long as Hatteras Island is essentially enslaved by an industry built exclusively around tourism, that's going to guide every decision they make. Hell, the local movie theater's been closed for about a decade now! Why? Aside from the fact that the people who worked there basically treated the place as their own personal party space after hours,


I know it's not intentional, but you are saying that the people who worked at the theater chose to treat it as their personal party space after hours because of tourism. Clearly some subset of people make some decisions based upon something other than tourism.
Also, sounds like you have party people on Hatteras Island. Sounds like a good casting opportunity...

And I may have mentioned this but homeowners are more concerned with turning rentals into AirBnBs, including places that locals would rent as year-round residences. That's what happened to my brother's ex-girlfriend "Veronica". Basically the landlord decided not to renew the lease so as to turn the place, an absolutely GORGEOUS two-story place across the street from the bookstore with an amazing view of the sky over the Pamlico Sound, into a short-term rental for tourists with money to burn. Now, Veronica and her kids are staying with her mother at her mother's boyfriend's place, which is also apparently getting turned into... you guessed it... a short-term vacation rental iirc. Locals are getting priced out and soon there'll be no one to work at all the businesses.


Sounds like a great subject for a dramatic movie. Reminds me a bit of The Florida Project, which was excellent.

Maybe selling many of my ideas that don't require an NYC setting would work in more open-minded towns that have the same aesthetic. But starting my career in NYC would make more sense. It have a thriving film industry, hundreds of aspiring thespians, just as many other kinds of creative types and it's overall easier to get the permits, equipment, crew and cast needed to put an idea on the fast track to being fully formed.


It's easier to get permits in New York City than to just shoot on Hatteras Island and just not worry about permits?

The Coen brothers wrote Blood Simple based upon what they thought they could shoot easily with what they had access to. Sam Raimi, Roger Corman, George Miller, and Christopher Nolan, and Lloyd Kaufman have done the same thing.

There, I could describe an idea for a giallo-style slasher about a maniac in a plague doctor mask to people more easily. Here, telling folks you want to make a giallo-inspired murder mystery in the vein of the early works of Dario Argento, they'd stare at me blankly. I'd have to infodump hard and in layman's terms just to make it make sense.


Your actors don't need to have a deep understanding of film history. You're the director. They just have to understand their characters. The kid in The Shining didn't know what kind of movie he was making.


* Lovecraft is niche at best, and in my town that's a hard sell. And that's even if you lean in with Lovecraft being a racist POS. Seriously, a few years ago I tried to talk about the Black Lives Matter protests with my dad and refused to listen to me, kept trying to talk over me and even dropped the N-word. And par for the course, he's a typical local, at least in his generation (he was born in '65).


Nobody has to understand that they're in a "Lovecraft" movie to be in a "Lovecraft" movie. And a casual look at history will tell you that plenty of racists have made or acted in movies.

* My only free time is on my days off, one of which I spend running errands and doing chores. I haven't even found time to get up to Walmart to buy more pants, which explains why one of my two pairs of jeans has an increasingly large hole between the crotch and ass.


You won't have more free time in New York. Your rent will be significantly higher and your hourly pay won't be much higher, assuming you do similar work there to support yourself.

* Not every small town in the south is the same.
* Not every small town in North Carolina is the same.


Nobody is claiming otherwise.

You claim to know your home town so well, but you say you only have acquaintances.

Post some of your screenplays here and maybe we can offer more specific advice.
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