Piracy is not so bad

[jp1]

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Oh, who gives a shit. I see people doing far worse all the time. I also see people starving on the side of the street. There is terrible shit on the news every day. I just don't have the time to worry about people who are doing just fine. I buy a lot of games because I want to support the companies that continue to make them.

This whole argument about how people enjoy others work without paying for it though is silly. If I am paid to build a house and I go home with my paycheck I don't give a shit what happens to the house any longer. The vast majority of people that put in the hard work have been paid by the hour and won't get a cut anyway. It is the company that funded the project that will benefit/lose in the end. Not that it makes a lot of difference either way I just think it is funny that the anti-piracy crew always resorts to the "hard working man" argument.

The concept of doing 1 piece of work and being paid for it over and over and over again only exists in the world of intellectual property. It would be nice if I could go and lay some carpet and then get paid a nickel every time someone steps on it until the end of time. In fact I venture to say that I would be so happy about it that the few people who dared walk on it without paying wouldn't matter to me at all.

[Inazuma]

Okay, again, I am someone who does pirate music, but I have to ask, do any of these examples in anyway relate to you? From what I have gathered, you did not buy multiple copies of the game Spore, and you did not donate a couple thousand dollars to all those in charge of creating the game, you just pirated one copy. Are you using the metaphor that 100s of people bought the game Spore and so you pirating only 1 copy is okay? I guess I could see what you are saying there, but it is still not a good argument. Not noble at least. I mean, again as someone who also pirates a type of media, I don't in anyway think there is some fancy justification as to why it is okay for ME to do it. I just make the decision and do it, knowing the ramifications and being willing to deal with whatever consequences await me.

Listen carefully. My point is that laws are not always correct and you need to consider the actual reality before making decisions. In the example you gave, that would be harming the creators, right?

I just want you guys to understand that it is possible for someone to break the law but not actually be doing something wrong, or harmful to others. Be open minded enough to at least consider the chance that there may be a law that's not always 100% correct in every situation. Trying to make you guys think, is basically my entire goal here.

Truth > Laws
Reality > Laws

Wouldn't it be OK to break the law in order to help someone? Would it be OK to drive 15 mph over the speed limit so you can arrive at the police station fast enough to relay a pass code so they can have the SWAT team deactivate a bomb that is about to explode and kill a thousand people?

[pepharytheworm]

@ Inazuma
This has nothing to do with piracy but you think its easier to have sex for free then with a prostitute, Prostitution legal means more chances for sex which in turn more chances of contracting aSTDas long as you can afford it. I go dutch by the way when I go on a date and don't expect compensation if I did happen to pay. What kind of person would only buy a girl food to get laid and not to get to know the person better. Maybe the same person who can think there is nothing wrong with piracey. By the way I never implied that you thought STD's were good. That is my own opinion stated on prostitution at the end.

But I give up trying to convince you. I will not type further on this thread.

[Inazuma]

@ Inazuma
This has nothing to do with piracy but you think its easier to have sex for free then with a prostitute, Prostitution legal means more chances for sex which in turn more chances of contracting aSTDas long as you can afford it. I go dutch by the way when I go on a date and don't expect compensation if I did happen to pay. What kind of person would only buy a girl food to get laid and not to get to know the person better. Maybe the same person who can think there is nothing wrong with piracey. By the way I never implied that you thought STD's were good. That is my own opinion stated on prostitution at the end.

But I give up trying to convince you. I will not type further on this thread.

By your logic, sex between two gay men should be very illegal.

[vash23n]

@ Inazuma
This has nothing to do with piracy but you think its easier to have sex for free then with a prostitute, Prostitution legal means more chances for sex which in turn more chances of contracting aSTDas long as you can afford it. I go dutch by the way when I go on a date and don't expect compensation if I did happen to pay. What kind of person would only buy a girl food to get laid and not to get to know the person better. Maybe the same person who can think there is nothing wrong with piracey. By the way I never implied that you thought STD's were good. That is my own opinion stated on prostitution at the end.

But I give up trying to convince you. I will not type further on this thread.

By your logic, sex between two gay men should be very illegal.

hahah. how does what he said imply anything about sexuality? because he said girl? maybe he was just implying that only guys would ever think of buying a girl food so the he can sleep with her... or maybe girls are the only ones susceptible to this action whether it is a guy or a girl buying the dinner... or maybe you missed the point.

[dlmvii]

Okay, again, I am someone who does pirate music, but I have to ask, do any of these examples in anyway relate to you? From what I have gathered, you did not buy multiple copies of the game Spore, and you did not donate a couple thousand dollars to all those in charge of creating the game, you just pirated one copy. Are you using the metaphor that 100s of people bought the game Spore and so you pirating only 1 copy is okay? I guess I could see what you are saying there, but it is still not a good argument. Not noble at least. I mean, again as someone who also pirates a type of media, I don't in anyway think there is some fancy justification as to why it is okay for ME to do it. I just make the decision and do it, knowing the ramifications and being willing to deal with whatever consequences await me.

Listen carefully. My point is that laws are not always correct and you need to consider the actual reality before making decisions. In the example you gave, that would be harming the creators, right?

I just want you guys to understand that it is possible for someone to break the law but not actually be doing something wrong, or harmful to others. Be open minded enough to at least consider the chance that there may be a law that's not always 100% correct in every situation. Trying to make you guys think, is basically my entire goal here.

Truth > Laws
Reality > Laws

Wouldn't it be OK to break the law in order to help someone? Would it be OK to drive 15 mph over the speed limit so you can arrive at the police station fast enough to relay a pass code so they can have the SWAT team deactivate a bomb that is about to explode and kill a thousand people?

Don't try to talk down to people like this.

Noone has claimed in this argument that the law is the be all end all moral code. Some people's own moral code makes them believe that software piracy is not moral - some believe it is fine. And still some people decide to abide by the law because they don't want any trouble.

Just because people don't follow your exact moral code does not mean they are blind idiots only doing what big brother tells them. You tell people to be open-minded, but I think you need to open your mind a little bit and understand the not everyone is as stupid as you might think.

[Inazuma]

@ Inazuma
This has nothing to do with piracy but you think its easier to have sex for free then with a prostitute, Prostitution legal means more chances for sex which in turn more chances of contracting aSTDas long as you can afford it. I go dutch by the way when I go on a date and don't expect compensation if I did happen to pay. What kind of person would only buy a girl food to get laid and not to get to know the person better. Maybe the same person who can think there is nothing wrong with piracey. By the way I never implied that you thought STD's were good. That is my own opinion stated on prostitution at the end.

But I give up trying to convince you. I will not type further on this thread.

By your logic, sex between two gay men should be very illegal.

hahah. how does what he said imply anything about sexuality? because he said girl? maybe he was just implying that only guys would ever think of buying a girl food so the he can sleep with her... or maybe girls are the only ones susceptible to this action whether it is a guy or a girl buying the dinner... or maybe you missed the point.

No, you missed the point. He said:

Prostitution legal means more chances for sex which in turn more chances of contracting aSTDas long as you can afford it.

Gay men probably have more sex than anyone, plus STD's are more likely to spread with anal sex, so according to pepharytheworm, it should be banned to prevent the spread of STD's. The fact is, any kind of sex is only illegal when money is directly involved. It has nothing to do with STD's.

Instead of making murder illegal, how about we only make it illegal when paid hit men are involved. Murdering people for free can be perfectly legal.

[jp1]

I hear something.

Could it be a lock coming?

[MrPopo]

jp1's spider-sense was tingling. I think there's absolutely nothing more that can be gained from this conversation.