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Re: Building Sega Master System Hidden Gems list

by PresidentLeever Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:34 pm

One of the easiest shoot 'em ups I've played, I found it pretty dull after the first loop. It's alright for the time though.
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Re: Building Sega Master System Hidden Gems list

by racketboy Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:53 pm

PresidentLeever wrote:One of the easiest shoot 'em ups I've played, I found it pretty dull after the first loop. It's alright for the time though.


Ok good to know. Thanks!
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Re: Building Sega Master System Hidden Gems list

by racketboy Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:19 pm

We've got a lot of this guide done, but could still use some help for a few more game entries in addition to overall proofing/editing via Google Doc.
Just let me know if you're interested in helping :)
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Re: Building Sega Master System Hidden Gems list

by racketboy Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:17 pm

We are making some really good progress on the Master System Gems article so far.

I have some follow-up questions though -- I don't seem to have any strong recommendations for the following genres -- any suggestions?
* Puzzle (as opposed to Puzzle Platformer)
* Fighting/Beatemups
* Adventure (like Maniac Mansion type as opposed to action/adventure/platformers)
* Strategy
* Pinball
* Games That Don't really fit into typical genres?

Also, we have a lot of "Action" games -- can somebody think of possible sub-genres to categorized the following in?:
* Quartet
* Master of Darkness
* Ninja Gaiden
* Kenseiden
* Jurassic Park
* The Ninja
* Cyborg Hunter
* Spellcaster
* Aladdin
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Re: Building Sega Master System Hidden Gems list

by alienjesus Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:19 pm

racketboy wrote:I have some follow-up questions though -- I don't seem to have any strong recommendations for the following genres -- any suggestions?
* Puzzle (as opposed to Puzzle Platformer)
* Fighting/Beatemups
* Adventure (like Maniac Mansion type as opposed to action/adventure/platformers)
* Strategy
* Pinball
* Games That Don't really fit into typical genres?



I'll have a go:

Puzzle: Are you counting Penguin Land as a puzzle platformer? Because that would be my go to thought on SMS. I know that Baku Baku got a port to the console in Brazil, not sure how good it was though. There's the usual selection of Columns, Mean Bean Machine, Klax, and Lemmings - again, I've not played any to be able to especially recommend them

Beat 'em up/fighting: Yeah, this really isn't a strong suit. There's stuff like Kung fu Kid and Black Belt but I dunno if they're really hidden gems.

Adventure: There's Fantastic Dizzy. Not sure how the port is, but the game is generally decent if you can put up with some 80s european computer game jank. King's Quest is on the console too, seems like a decent port.

Strategy - Yeah, no idea on this one

Pinball - Same for this

Other less obvious genres:
If I'm being honest, the SMS was best at action and platformers - I could give a long list of great games for those genres, but once you start looking outside of that it's slim pickings.
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Re: Building Sega Master System Hidden Gems list

by PresidentLeever Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:41 pm

* Puzzle (as opposed to Puzzle Platformer)
Solomon's Key (JP), Lemmings maybe

* Fighting/Beatemups
Renegade is very good on SMS, a fairly unique take on it.
Black Belt is also pretty good; it's side view and boss fights are like a fighting game kinda. But not quite hidden gem.

* Adventure (like Maniac Mansion type as opposed to action/adventure/platformers)
King's Quest 1? - Not well known on SMS I think.
There's that JP one which was translated somewhat recently: https://www.romhacking.net/translations/1447/
There's also Carmen Sandiego which is more of an edutainment game and has some action segments.

* Strategy
Populous, Rampart, Lemmings kinda. But those are well known. Spy vs Spy? No good TB games afaik. There are some good ones on GG though.

* Pinball
Casino Games has a basic pinball table - haven't played it. Closest thing otherwise might be that minigolf game.

* Games That Don't really fit into typical genres?
High School Kimengumi! - Sort of a top down action adventure/comedy game


Genre classification attempts:
* Quartet - Action Platformer/Maze Platformer
* Master of Darkness - Action Platformer, Castlevania clone
* Ninja Gaiden - Action Platformer
* Kenseiden - Action Platformer/Metroidvania-lite or Proto-Platform Adventure
* Jurassic Park - Action Platformer/Gallery Shooter Hybrid
* The Ninja - Top Down Run 'n Gun
* Cyborg Hunter - Metroidvania-lite or Proto-Platform Adventure, Maze Platformer
* Spellcaster - Platform Adventure or Metroidvania/P&C Adventure hybrid
* Aladdin - Action Platformer, Prince of Persia-like Platformer, Cinematic Platformer - There's a bit of stealth as well IIRC
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Re: Building Sega Master System Hidden Gems list

by Sload Soap Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:45 pm

The only pinball game on the SMS is Sonic Spinball and Sonic Spinball sucks so probably best to drop that category.

Putt and Putter is a mini-golf game that in essence is really a puzzle title. It's pretty good and while it does come up in discussion on SMS boards, it's not that well known. There is also a port of Krusty's Fun House that seems well liked but that still falls into puzzle platformer territory, so you are left with what AJ said, Klax, Lemmings and Columns none of which are either particularly sterling ports or hidden gems.

I love the system but it just doesn't have the range of titles to fill out these categories, never mind the breadth needed to facilitate having hidden gems so it's probably best not to force it.
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Re: Building Sega Master System Hidden Gems list

by PresidentLeever Sun May 03, 2020 1:18 pm

I thought Lemmings and Columns were considered good ports, but they're not exactly HG.
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Re: Building Sega Master System Hidden Gems list

by o.pwuaioc Sun May 03, 2020 4:00 pm

PresidentLeever wrote:I thought Lemmings and Columns were considered good ports, but they're not exactly HG.


Quite a few of the games on the list, I'd say, aren't really hidden.
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Re: Building Sega Master System Hidden Gems list

by Sload Soap Sun May 03, 2020 9:17 pm

PresidentLeever wrote:I thought Lemmings and Columns were considered good ports, but they're not exactly HG.


Lemmings is okay although I found it a bit harder than it needed to be because of the MS's squishy D-Pad. I think Columns is too simple a game to have an interesting port if that makes sense. Also I'm biased as Columns is my third least favourite game of all time.

AJ suggested Baku Baku which I think is a better fit because it was both Brazil only and a port of a Arcade/Saturn game which is pretty interesting and your suggestion of Putt and Putter is solid as well.

The SMS just doesn't stand up to this sort of deep dive. It'd be like trying to find hidden gems for RPGs on the Neo Geo or 3D fighters on the N64, sometimes you just can't or worse, end up recommending a bad game in order to add a criterion.
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